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T: Hello, dear friends! Tatiana: Hello, dear friends!
Tatiana: Salve, cari amici!
Today, in the ALLATRA TV studio Today, in the ALLATRA TV studio we welcome the esteemed Igor Mikhailovich Danilov. we welcome the esteemed Igor Mikhailovich Danilov.
Oggi in studio ALLATRA TV è con noi lo stimato Igor Mikhailovich Danilov.
IM: Greetings.
Salve.
IM: Greetings. T: Zhanna. T: Zhanna.
T: Zhanna. Salve.
Zh: Greetings. Zh: Greetings. T: Igor Vladimirovich. T: Igor Vladimirovich.
T: Igor Vladimirovich. Salve.
IV:Greetings. IV: Greetings.
T: “Climate chaos” — this is how scientists describe T: “Climate chaos” — this is how scientists describe the future of our planet, the future of our planet,
"Caos climatico" - così gli scienziati descrivono il futuro del nostro pianeta,
what awaits us with the climate. what awaits us with the climate.
And they understand it first and foremost And they understand it first and foremost as the unpredictable behavior of the climate. as the unpredictable behavior of the climate.
e capiscono ciò che ci aspetta da questo comportamento imprevedibile del clima.
But if you look at the facts and look at what is happening today, But if you look at the facts and look at what is happening today,
Ma se osserviamo bene ciò che sta accadendo oggi,
what climatic situation we have around the world, what climatic situation we have around the world,
qual è la situazione climatica in tutto il mondo, ci si rende conto
you understand that for some regions t you understand that for some regions his “climate chaos” has already occurred today, this “climate chaos” has already occurred today,
che per alcune regioni questo "caos climatico" si sta già verificando
for some it is already the reality of today. for some it is already the reality of today.
e per qualcuno è già ora una realtà..
And, interestingly, the UN tells us that cataclysms And, interestingly, the UN tells us that
E’ interessante che l'ONU ci dica che
cataclysms and disasters are already happening every week. and disasters are already happening every week.
cataclismi e disastri si verificano già settimanalmente.
And, in principle, this is understood and seen by people And, in principle, this is understood and seen by people
In linea di principio, questo viene compreso e visto da persone
who just go out one day who just go out one day and see what is happening right in front of them, and see what is happening right in front of them,
che escono in strada e vedono quello che succede proprio sotto il loro naso,
what is happening outside their windows. what is happening outside their windows.
quello che succede fuori dalle loro finestre.
And meteorologists themselves talk about this, And meteorologists themselves talk about this, they just do not understand where all these climatic anomalies, they just do not understand where all these climatic anomalies,
Gli stessi meteorologi, semplicemente non capiscono da dove sbucano all'improvviso,
all these catastrophic phenomena suddenly break out from,
come da un vaso di Pandora, tutte queste anomalie climatiche,
all these catastrophic phenomena suddenly break out from, like from a Pandora’s box.
tutti questi eventi catastrofici.
like from a Pandora’s box. And today we are entering, say, a new decade - And today we are entering, say, a new decade - the two thousand twenties
Oggi stiamo entrando in un nuovo decennio, il 2020,
the two thousand twenties - and people have a question, - and people have a question, “What can we expect from this decade? And what will be our future in it?” “What can we expect from this decade? And what will be our future in it?”
e la gente si chiede: "Cosa ci aspettiamo da questo nuovo decennio e quale sarà il nostro futuro in esso?
IM: You know, it’s a good question, IM: You know, it’s a good question, “What will be our future?” “What will be our future?”
Ottima domanda: "Quale sarà il nostro futuro?"
And, you know, what is interesting and remarkable, I would say, And, you know, what is interesting and remarkable, I would say,
E, sapete, ciò che è interessante e direi notevole,
is that they take it seriously now. is that they take it seriously now.
è il fatto che ora se ne parla seriamente.
When you were telling this, When you were telling this,
Quando lo raccontavi,
I just recalled how we started to move in this direction, I just recalled how we started to move in this direction,
mi sono ricordato di come abbiamo iniziato a muoverci in questa direzione
and started telling people that “people, and started telling people that
quando ho iniziato a dire alla gente:
“people, look at what will happen soon. look at what will happen soon.
"guardate cosa succederà nel prossimo futuro:
Serious climatic disasters and changes are coming. Serious climatic disasters and changes are coming.
stanno arrivando gravi disastri e cambiamenti climatici.
The climate will change to such an extent that it will first affect the economy, The climate will change to such an extent that it will first affect the economy,
Il clima cambierà così tanto da influenzare prima di tutto l'economia,
then it will affect the lives of all of us then it will affect the lives of all of us
poi la vita di tutti noi,
not just economically, not just economically, but it will affect our everyday lives, but it will affect our everyday lives,
non solo in termini economici, ma nella nostra vita abituale,
that peoples will begin to resettle, that there will be migration. that peoples will begin to resettle, that there will be migration.
e i popoli cominceranno a muoversi, e ci saranno migrazioni.
And then we will come to a situation And then we will come to a situation which we won’t be able to resolve anymore. which we won’t be able to resolve anymore.
Infine arriveremo a una situazione che non sarà più possibile risolvere.
I remember how we started, how we created the first precedents I remember how we started, how we created the first precedents
Ricordo come abbiamo iniziato, come abbiamo creato i primi precedenti
when we told people about this, when we told people about this,
quando ne abbiamo parlato alla gente,
when our report was published. when our report was published.
quando è uscito il nostro rapporto.
And I remember how we were pounced on from all sides, we may say, And I remember how we were pounced on from all sides, we may say,
E mi ricordo di come siamo stati presi in giro da tutte le parti, si potrebbe dire,
we were scolded, called names and insulted we were scolded, called names and insulted by those who are now telling about that. by those who are now telling about that.
rimproverati, scherniti, insultati da coloro che ora ne parlano.
It’s interesting how the situation is changing. Isn’t it? (Zh: Yes) It’s interesting how the situation is changing. Isn’t it? Zh: Yes.
È interessante notare che la situazione sta cambiando. E’ vero? Zh: Sì
While we said that a little time would pass, While we said that a little time would pass,
E abbiamo detto che passerà un po' di tempo,
that today would pass, tomorrow would come - that today would pass, tomorrow would come - and you would see it all. and you would see it all (T: Yes).
passerà oggi, e arriverà domani - e vedrete tutto.
T: Yes.
T: Sì.
Tomorrow has come and people have seen this. Tomorrow has come and people have seen this.
Domani è già arrivato e la gente se ne è già resa conto.
T: Well, it’s just that if before we addressed these issues to people, T: Well, it’s just that if before we addressed these issues to people,
Beh, è solo che se prima si facevano queste domande alla gente
for them to look around and see what’s going on (IM: Surely), for them to look around and see what’s going on (IM: Surely),
perché si guardasse intorno e vedesse cosa stava succedendo,
now they are actually looking for this themselves,
IM: Certo. T: ora è la gente stessa che si chiede,
now they are actually looking for this themselves, “What is happening? Why is it changing so…” “What is happening? Why is it changing so…”
in linea di principio: "Che cosa succede e che cosa sta cambiando così...".
IM: “What will happen?” T: Yes.
IM: Cosa succederà? T: Sì.
IM: “What will happen?” T: Yes. Zh: Now they’re already looking for solutions. Zh: Now they’re already looking for solutions.
Zh: Ora stanno già cercando una soluzione.
IM: And thank God that our work, say, has not been in vain. IM: And thank God that our work, say, has not been in vain.
E grazie a Dio il nostro lavoro, diciamo, non è stato vano.
We created precedents, we addressed a lot of scientists. We created precedents, we addressed a lot of scientists.
Abbiamo stabilito dei precedenti, abbiamo creato stimolato molti scienziati.
Many were afraid to talk about the truth. Many were afraid to talk about the truth.
Molti avevano paura di dire la verità.
Now, you see how everyone started talking about this. Now, you see how everyone started talking about this.
Ora, vedete come tutti parlano.
And they already speak openly, without being afraid for their reputation. And they already speak openly, without being afraid for their reputation.
Ed è già, diciamo, che parlano liberamente, non hanno paura della loro reputazione.
And do you remember that just recently, when we addressed them, they said, And do you remember that just recently, when we addressed them, they said,
E ricordate, proprio di recente, quando ci siamo rivolti a loro, hanno detto:
“What are you talking about? What will they think of me? How can I say that?” “What are you talking about? What will they think of me? How can I say that?”
"Cosa dite? Cosa penseranno di me? Come posso dirlo?"
And yet, what do we observe today? And yet, what do we observe today?
Eppure, cosa vediamo oggi?
They again keep saying that “all these climate changes They again keep saying that “all these climate changes are the consequences of the anthropogenic factor,” are the consequences of the anthropogenic factor,”
Ancora una volta, continuano a dire che "il cambiamento climatico è una conseguenza del fattore umano",
that “people are to blame.” that “people are to blame.”
che "è colpa delle persone".
And what do they suggest? To fight.
E che cosa suggeriscono?
And what do they suggest?
Di lottare.
To fight. T: Yes, to fight. That’s the key point. T: Yes, to fight. That’s the key point.
T: Lottare, sì. Questa è la chiave.
IM: And so I wonder, how are they going to fight? IM: And so I wonder, how are they going to fight?
IM: E qui mi chiedo: come lotteranno?
To cover the glaciers with blankets? To cover the glaciers with blankets? Or what?
Copriranno i ghiacciai con delle coperte?
Or what?
O cosa?
T: Well, now we know that in New York, T: Well, now we know that in New York,
Beh, ora sappiamo che a New York, in linea di principio,
they basically offer to build walls against hurricanes. they basically offer to build walls against hurricanes.
si offrono di costruire muri per proteggersi dalle tempeste.
IM: Well, they want to build walls to save New York. IM: Well, they want to build walls to save New York (T: In the next 25 years, yes).
Beh, vogliono costruire muri per salvare New York
T: In the next 25 years, yes.
T: Nei prossimi 25 anni. IM: sì.
But somehow they have planned for such a long term, for 25 years (Zh: Yes). But somehow they have planned for such a long term, for 25 years (Zh: Yes).
Ma in qualche modo sono andati troppo oltre.
Surely, “to build in the next 25 years” (Zh: Maybe, the idea is not bad, but...).
Sì, certo, "costruire nei prossimi 25 anni"...
Surely, “to build in the next 25 years” (Zh: Maybe, the idea is not bad, but...).
Zh: Forse non è una cattiva idea, ma...
Who will build these walls in 25 years and who will need them in New York? Who will build these wall
Chi costruirà questi muri tra 25 anni e chi ne avrà bisogno a New York?
s in 25 years and who will need them in New York? It’s a simple question. It’s a simple question.
Questa è una domanda facile.
Everything is changing and happening so interestingly. Everything is changing and happening so interestingly.
È interessante notare che le cose cambiano e accadono.
Time passes very fast, Time passes very fast, and catastrophic changes always come
Il tempo scorre molto velocemente,
and catastrophic changes always come much faster than people would like to.
e i cambiamenti catastrofici arrivano
much faster than people would like to.
sempre molto più velocemente di quanto la gente vorrebbe.
Well, I will return to the topic of Well, I will return to the topic of “we have to fight with these climate changes
Ebbene, tornerò alla domanda:
“we have to fight with these climate changes (T: Already changes),
"sì, è necessario combattere contro i cambiamenti climatici... T: cambiamenti
(T: Already changes), we must stop them" — it’s impossible. we must stop them"
IM: ...bisogna fermarli”.
— it’s impossible.
Questo è impossibile.
We can adapt and make some changes, We can adapt and make some changes,
Possiamo adattarci e fare alcuni cambiamenti,
we can save humanity, we can save humanity,
possiamo salvare l'umanità,
but it is already unrealistic to stop all these changes that have already occurred but it is already unrealistic to stop all these changes that have already occurred
ma fermare tutti questi cambiamenti che sono già avvenuti,
yet, they entail a number of other changes. yet, they entail a number of other changes.
e comportano una serie di altri cambiamenti è già irrealistico.
Again, there is no doubt that “people have greatly affected the ecology.”
Ancora una volta,
Again, there is no doubt that “people have greatly affected the ecology.”
"Senza dubbio la gente ha avuto una grande influenza sull’ecologia"
Humanity has not affected the climate, Humanity has not affected the climate,
ma il clima non è stato praticamente influenzato dall'uomo,
it is a cyclical process and many scientists know about this. it is a cyclical process and many scientists know about this.
è ciclico, e molti scienziati lo sanno.
Thank God, many people are already talking and talking openly, Thank God, many people are already talking and talking openly,
Grazie a Dio, molte persone stanno già parlando e parlando apertamente,
and this topic is being discussed. and this topic is being discussed.
e questo argomento è in discussione.
And you see, the leader of the United States totally rejects... And you see, the leader of the United States totally rejects...
E vedete, il leader degli Stati Uniti, rifiuta...
And why does he reject the anthropogenic factor? And why does he reject the anthropogenic factor?
E perché rifiuta il fattore antropogenico?
Because he knows it’s far from being the case. Because he knows it’s far from being the case.
Perché sa che è ben lungi dall'essere vero.
And why do they have to suffer colossal economic losses And why do they have to suffer colossal economic losses
E perché dovrebbero subire perdite economiche colossali
because someone has thought up that it is an anthropogenic factor? because someone has thought up that it is an anthropogenic factor?
perché qualcuno si è inventato che questo è dovuto al fattore antropogenico?
We know that there have been serious studies We know that there have been serious studies
Sappiamo che ci sono stati seri studi e prove su questo tema,
and no one has provided any evidence that (T: The сourts)... Yes, that and no one has provided any evidence that (T: The сourts)... Yes,
e nessuno ha fornito alcuna prova che... T: I tribunali
that “all this is due to the fact that human has interfered.” “all this is due to the fact that a person has interfered.”
"Tutto questo è dovuto al fatto che una persona ha interferito.”
And now we can already talk about this openly. And now we can already talk about this openly.
E ora possiamo già parlarne apertamente.
And soon everyone will talk about this openly, And soon everyone will talk about this openly,
E presto tutti ne parleranno apertamente,
and everyone will talk about the fact
e tutti parleranno del fatto
and everyone will talk about the fact that “we cannot change anything and we have to do something.” that “we cannot change anything and we have to do something.”
che "non possiamo cambiare nulla e dobbiamo fare qualcosa".
But a simple question: what should we do? But a simple question: what should we do?
Ed ecco una semplice domanda: "Cosa fare?
T: Even some apathy manifests in people, T: Even some apathy manifests in people,
La gente mostra anche un po' di apatia:
“Well, since nothing can be changed, meaning, if you can’t change “Well, since nothing can be changed, meaning, if you can’t change or
"Beh, se non si può cambiare nulla, cioè, se non si può cambiare...
(Zh: If this is some kind of cyclical process...),
Zh: Se è una sorta di ciclicità... T: ...influisce sul clima,
(Zh: If this is some kind of cyclical process...), affect
allora, in generale, cosa fare? Zh: Sì
or affect the climate, then, what to do in general? (Zh: Yes) the climate, then, what to do in general? (Zh: Yes) Is it worth doing anything?” And they give up. Is it worth doing anything?” And they give up.
Vale la pena fare qualcosa?" E perdono la voglia di fare qualcosa.
So, what should be done? So, what should be done? What role is assigned to people in all this? It’s just, what role is assigned to people in all this?
Ma cosa bisognerebbe fare? Che ruolo hanno le persone in tutto questo?
IM: May I tell them? I’ll tell them what needs to be done now, IM: May I tell them?
Posso dirvelo?
I’ll tell them what needs to be done now,
Ora vi dirò cosa fare adesso,
but, of course, no one will listen to me and they won’t do this. but, of course, no one will listen to me and they won’t do this.
ma, naturalmente, nessuno mi ascolterà e non lo farà,
Just like when we warned them about it. Just like when we warned about it.
proprio come quando li abbiamo avvertiti.
But nevertheless, I will tell them. What needs to be done? But nevertheless, I will tell them. What needs to be done?
Ma comunque, ve lo dirò. Cosa bisogna fare?
At the state level, what needs to be done in this case At the state level, what needs to be done in this case
A livello degli Stati, in questo caso,
is to look for the most favorable places is to look for the most favorable places
dobbiamo cercare i luoghi più favorevoli,
due to these changes and build there new cities, new factories, due to these changes and build there new cities, new factories,
a causa di tutti questi cambiamenti, e costruire nuove città, nuove fabbriche,
new farms for food production. new farms for food production.
nuove fattorie per la produzione alimentare.
This is what needs to be done now, because tomorrow will come, This is what needs to be done now,
Questo è qualcosa che deve essere fatto ora,
because tomorrow will come,
perché quando arriverà il domani,
and when tomorrow comes, we will face the migration of billions of people. and when tomorrow comes, we will face the migration of billions of people.
dovremo affrontare la migrazione di miliardi di persone.
And in order for all this to be done in a planned and correct manner, And in order for all this to be done in a planned and correct
E perché tutto questo sia pianificato e corretto,
they should start building it all not now, manner, they should start building it all not now,
non è quello che dobbiamo costruire ora,
but they should have started building it all yesterday but they should have started building it all yesterday
ma ieri avremmo dovuto iniziare a costruire,
because there isn’t much time. because there isn’t much time.
perché non c'è molto tempo.
Imagine building cities for the relocation of huge masses of people, Imagine building cities for the relocation of huge masses of people,
Immaginate di costruire città per trasferire un numero enorme di persone,
setting up and launching production facilities, setting up and launching production facilities,
di allestire e gestire impianti di produzione,
factories and everything else so that these masses can be served, factories and everything else so that these masses can be served,
fabbriche e tutto il resto, in modo che queste masse possano essere servite,
even with the most necessary, yes: food, clothing and everything else. even with the most necessary, yes: food, clothing and everything else.
almeno il cibo più necessario:, vestiti e tutto il resto.
After all, this requires not only time, but also enormous resources, After all, this requires not only time, but also enormous resources,
Inn fondo questo richiede non solo tempo, ma anche enormi risorse, non solo denaro,
and not only money, but also human resources, and everything else. and not only money, but also human resources, and everything else.
ma anche risorse umane, ore-di lavoro e tutto il resto.
Masses of specialists should be involved in this. Masses of specialists should be involved in this.
Questa massa di specialisti dovrebbe essere coinvolta in questo.
Well, it is absolutely necessary to do it now, Well, it is absolutely necessary to do it now,
Beh, ora è estremamente necessario,
otherwise, a great calamity will occur. otherwise, a great calamity will occur.
altrimenti sarà un grosso problema.
But the question is: will people start doing and talking about this? But the question is: will people start doing and talking about this?
Ma la domanda è: la gente inizierà a farlo e ne parlerà?
Talking just like they talk about the climate, right? (T: Yes). Talking just like they talk about the climate, right?
Ne parleranno proprio come parlano del clima, giusto?
T: Yes.
T: Sì.
It’s not a good time and place to mention it now, It’s not a good time and place to mention it now,
Ora non è né il momento né il luogo per parlare,
but when we warned about other factors but when we warned about other factors not related to the climate, they also laughed at us and insulted us, not related to the climate,
ma quando abbiamo messo in guardia da altri fattori estranei al clima,
they also laughed at us and insulted us,
siamo stati anche derisi e insultati.
and when this came true, they are silent now. Right? and when this came true, they are silent now. Right?
E dato che è successo, ora stanno in silenzio. È così?
Well, everyone has seen this truth. The same applies here. Well, everyone has seen this truth.
Beh, tutti hanno visto la verità.
The same applies here.
Lo stesso vale per questo.
The same applies to what I’ve said, that it needs to be done now. The same applies to what I’ve said, that it needs to be done now.
È la stessa cosa che ho detto che dovremmo fare adesso.
And it is no longer the level of a single state, but the level of all humankind. And it is no longer the level of a single state, but the level of all humankind.
E questo non è a livello di un singolo stato, ma a livello dell'umanità nel suo insieme.
And at this point, we really need to unite. And at this point, we really need to unite.
E qui dobbiamo davvero unirci.
And the most interesting thing is that there are attempts. And the most interesting thing is that there are attempts.
E la cosa più interessante è che ci sono stati dei tentativi.
For many years now, we have been saying that humanity must unite. For many years now, we have been saying that humanity must unite.
Da molti anni parliamo del fatto che l'umanità dovrebbe unirsi.
Many do not understand, “What for? How? What can we do, being united?” Many do not understand, “What for? How? What can we do, being united?”
Molti non capiscono: "Per cosa? Come? Cosa possiamo fare unendoci?"
We can do a lot, my friends. We can do a lot, my friends.
Possiamo fare molto, amici miei.
We can change the world, we can save humanity, or we can slide into chaos. We can change the world, we can save humanity,
Possiamo cambiare il mondo, possiamo salvare l'umanità
or we can slide into chaos.
o possiamo scivolare nel caos.
But having united, we can really save humankind. But having united, we can really save humankind.
Ma unendoci, possiamo davvero salvare la razza umana.
I think this is extremely important, in my opinion. Right? IV:Of course. I think this is extremely important, in my opinion. Right?
Credo che questo sia molto importante, secondo me.
IV: Of course.
Non è vero? IV: Certo.
IM: Well, now they have already started talking at the UN level. IM: Well, now they have already started talking at the UN level.
Bene, ora l'ONU sta già parlando.
There are the first attempts to consolidate society as a whole. There are the first attempts to consolidate society as a whole.
Questi sono i primi tentativi di consolidare la società nel suo complesso...
Zh: ...calling people to unite Zh: ...calling people to unite
...chiedendo alle persone di unirsi IM: Sì.
(IM: Yes), so that just everyone expresses their opinion: (IM: Yes), so that just everyone expresses their opinion:
...di lasciare che ognuno esprima la propria opinione:
what needs to be improved, what steps need to be taken. what needs to be improved, what steps need to be taken.
che cosa deve essere migliorato, quali passi devono essere fatti.
And for this, they... And for this, they... Of course, there isn’t, sort of, live communication,
E per questo loro...
Of course, there isn’t, sort of, live communication,
Beh, naturalmente, non è a livello di comunicazione
but at the level of an online survey, sort of not… but at the level of an online survey, sort of not…
ma a livello di sondaggio su Internet...
IM: Well, this is at least the first attempt, the first steps IM: Well, this is at least the first attempt,
Beh, almeno questo è il primo tentativo, i primi passi. Zh: Beh, sì.
the first steps (Zh: Right). But why? (Zh: Right). But why? They fear (Zh: Yes), fear the changes that are coming. They fear (Zh: Yes), fear the changes that are coming.
E perché? Hanno paura, paura dei cambiamenti che stanno arrivando.
But still, everyone perfectly understands that this is inevitable, (Zh: Yes) But still, everyone perfectly understands that this is inevitable, (Zh: Yes)
Eppure, sanno bene che è inevitabile,
because today it is already unrealistic to hide this (Zh: Unrealistic). because today it is already unrealistic to hide this (Zh: Unrealistic).
perché già oggi è impossibile nasconderlo.
If before that they somehow dissuaded If before that they somehow dissuaded
Se prima ne parlavano, cercavano di nasconderlo in qualche modo,
and tried to hide, now this is, excuse me, even beyond… and tried to hide, now this is, excuse me, even beyond…
ora è, scusate, anche più di... Zh: Sta succedendo ovunque.
Zh: It just happens everywhere. Zh: It just happens everywhere. IM: And we already have 2020 (Zh: Yes). IM: And we already have 2020 (Zh: Yes).
Il 2020 è già iniziato e il tempo, sapete, corre molto veloce,
And time, you know, runs very fast, And time, you know, runs very fast,
there remains less and less sand in this watch. there remains less and less sand in this watch.
c'è sempre meno sabbia in questa clessidra.
T: Time is accelerating. Zh: Yes, exactly.
T: Sta accelerando. Zh: Sì, sì.
T: Time is accelerating. Zh: Yes, exactly.
Tutto sta accelerando.
IM: Everything is accelerating. IM: Everything is accelerating. Zh: Even at the World Economic Forum, which was held Zh: Even at the World Economic Forum, which was held
Anche al World Economic Forum,
from January 21 to 24 this year, from January 21 to 24 this year,
che si è tenuto dal 21 al 24 gennaio di quest'anno,
the climate was the main topic of discussion. the climate was the main topic of discussion.
il clima era già il principale argomento di discussione.
IM: Finally, thank God.
IM: Beh, grazie a Dio.
IM: Finally, thank God. Zh: I mean, it has already got ahead of violence, Zh: I mean, it has already got ahead of violence,
Quindi, ha già superato la violenza,
wars and came to the fore (T: To the fore). wars and came to the fore (T: To the fore).
ha superato le guerre ed è arrivato al primo posto.
IM: I just wonder what has won here: good sense or the fact that has already come?
T: In primo piano. Zh: sì.
IM: I just wonder what has won here: good sense or the fact that has already come?
Ma, mi chiedo: “Chi ha vinto: la mente o il fatto che sia già arrivato?”
It's just that why people don’t hear when you tell them? It's just that why people don’t hear when you tell them?
È semplice: “perché la gente non ascolta quando parli?
Why do they not do what needs to be done? Why do they not do what needs to be done?
Perché non fanno quello che bisogna fare?”
Yet, imagine if at least 5 years ago... well, at least 4 years ago. Yet, imagine if at least 5 years ago... well, at least 4 years ago.
Immaginate se cinque anni fa, beh, almeno quattro anni fa,
they would have already started doing something. they would have already started doing something.
avessero iniziato a fare qualcosa.
Because we are now standing on... Because we are now standing on... let's say, on the verge of a huge economic crisis let's say, on the verge of a huge economic crisis
Dopotutto, ci troviamo ora, diciamo, sulla soglia di un'enorme crisi economica
that will make a lot of people just beggars, that will make a lot of people just beggars,
che ridurrà molte persone in miseria,
that will ruin entire countries. that will ruin entire countries.
e rovinerà interi Paesi.
And all this will happen due to what? And all this will happen due to what?
E tutto questo accadrà a causa di cosa?
Due to those very climate changes. Due to that very climate changes.
Proprio a causa del cambiamento climatico.
And this is inevitable. And this is inevitable. What’s next?
Ed è inevitabile.
What’s next?
Cosa succede dopo?
And then there will already be a forced mass migration of embittered hungry people, And then there will already be a forced mass migration of embittered hungry people,
La già forzata migrazione di massa di persone arrabbiate, affamate,
who are well-armed, and sometimes are well-organized. who are well-armed, and sometimes are well-organized.
ben armate e talvolta ben organizzate.
What will happen to our world? What will happen to our world?
Cosa succederà al nostro mondo?
And doesn’t anyone really have a desire to solve this in a peaceful way? And doesn’t anyone really have a desire to solve this in a peaceful way?
Nessuno ha il desiderio di risolvere la questione in modo pacifico?
The question is being asked for a reason The question is being asked for a reason
Per me semplicemente... mi chiedo soltanto,
because everyone will get into this slaughter. because everyone will get into this slaughter.
perché mai tutti cadranno in questo tritacarne.
Well, someone thinks that “no, it won't reach them.” Well, someone thinks that “no, it won't reach them.”
Beh, qualcuno pensa: "no, non si arriverà a questo".
It will, it will reach everyone. It will, it will reach everyone.
Sì, ci si arriverà. Tutti ci arriveranno.
And eventually, if there is such an uncivilized vector of development, And eventually, if there is such an uncivilized vector of development,
Alla fine, se un tale vettore di sviluppo diventa incivile,
then, excuse me, the climate will develop accordingly - then, excuse me, the climate will develop accordingly -
allora, scusatemi, anche il clima si svilupperà di conseguenza
in an uncivilized way, and no bunker will save anyone.
e sarà anch’esso incivile,
in an uncivilized way, and no bunker will save anyone.
e nessun bunker salverà nessuno.
Zh: Yes. You see, people have a question: Zh: Yes. You see, people have a question:
Sì, vede, la gente pensa
“if I do not see these cataclysms outside my window..." “if I do not see these cataclysms outside my window..."
"se non vedo questi cataclismi fuori dalla mia finestra... "
He sees that the houses have been destroyed, He sees that the houses have been destroyed, that events are already happening, that events are already happening,
Se non vedo che le case sono distrutte, che gli eventi stanno già accadendo….
but "outside my window everything is fine. but "outside my window everything is fine.
Ma "è tutto a posto fuori dalla mia finestra.
Maybe meteorologists just exaggerate?” Maybe meteorologists just exaggerate?”
Forse sono i meteorologi esagerano?"
IM: They intimidate. Zh: They intimidate.
Sì, spaventano
IM: They intimidate. Zh: They intimidate. IM: They always intimidate. You know, like… IM: They always intimidate. You know, like…
Z: Sì. spaventano. IM: Sempre spaventano. Sapete come...
For thousands of years, they have been talking about the end of the world, For thousands of years, they have been talking about the end of the world,
Per migliaia di anni hanno parlato della fine del mondo.
up to the point that recently they schedule the end of the world every year, up to the point that recently they schedule the end of the world every year,
Siamo già arrivati al punto in cui ogni anno,
or even three times a year, or even more. or even three times a year, or even more.
o anche tre volte all'anno, o anche di più, dicono che è prossima la fine del mondo.
It is natural that people’s consciousness adapts to this It is natural that people’s consciousness adapts to this
Naturalmente, la coscienza delle persone si adatta
and perceives it already as such a horror story, a scary story, and perceives it already as such a horror story, a scary story,
e la prende come uno spauracchio.
and many simply started doing business on this, and many simply started doing business on this, and everything is so funny and amusing.
E molti su di questo hanno iniziato a farci affari.
and everything is so funny and amusing. Tatyana: Politicians too. Zh: Surely.
T: Anche i politici. Zh: Certo. IM: Ed è tutto così allegro e divertente.
T: Politicians too. Zh: Surely. IM: Well, somehow I haven’t seen those guys smiling in Davos, right? IM: Well, somehow I haven’t seen those guys smiling in Davos, right?
In qualche modo, non ho visto sorridere quei ragazzi a Davos. No?
Zh: Yes, right.
Zh: Sì, sì, sì.
Zh: Yes, right. IM: Well, they didn’t smile much IM: Well, they didn’t smile much
In qualche modo non sorridevano,
and didn’t protest, and didn’t say that these are fairy tales. Why? and didn’t protest, and didn’t say that these are fairy tales. Why?
non si sono opposti e non mi hanno detto che erano favole.
Because they know how to count.
Perché? Perché loro sanno contare.
Because they know how to count. Exactly those gathered there who make the weather in the world, Exactly those gathered together who make the weather in the world
Si sono riuniti solo quelli che fanno il bello e il brutto tempo nel mondo,
I mean in the economic world. I mean in the economic world.
intendo nel mondo economico.
And they are already sitting and calculating their losses And they are already sitting and calculating their losses
E si sono seduti e stanno già calcolando le loro perdite, perché sanno benissimo
because they know very well because they know very well that they will have to part with an enormous amount of money. that they will have to part with an enormous amount of money.
che dovranno perdere capitali enormi.
Well, that’s true (Zh: Yes). So it’s just money,
Beh, è vero. Zh: Sì
Well, that’s true (Zh: Yes). So it’s just money,
Beh, sono solo soldi,
and tomorrow they will have to part with much more: and tomorrow they will have to part with much more:
e domani dovranno separarsi da molto di più:
the usual way of life, the usual way of life, and then, excuse me, with what is called life. and then, excuse me, with what is called life.
dal solito modo di vivere, e poi, scusate, e da quello che chiamano vita.
Well, isn’t that right? It is. Well, isn’t that right? It is.
Beh, non è vero? Beh...
So, we will sit, philosophize, discuss things, So, we will sit, philosophize, discuss things,
E che facciamo? Ci sediamo, filosofeggiamo, discutiamo,
come up with “let’s collect certain fees, come up with “let’s collect certain fees, fight the climate, produce less carbon dioxide emissions.
inventiamo: "Facciamo un po' di riunioni, lottiamo con il clima,
fight the climate, produce less carbon dioxide emissions.
buttiamo via meno CO.
We’d better lose a little now, but then we’ll save.” We’d better lose a little now, but then we’ll save.” But what will they save?
È meglio perdere poco adesso, ma salvarlo poi".
But what will they save?
E cosa salveranno?
Since humanity will stop using hydrocarbons (Zh: Well, yes), nothing will change. Since humanity will stop using hydrocarbons (Zh: Well, yes), nothing will change.
Poiché l'umanità smetterà di usare gli idrocarburi, non cambierà nulla.
In other words, we will create more problems for ourselves: In other words, we will create more problems for ourselves:
In altre parole, creeremo ulteriori problemi a noi stessi:
we will stop using the energy sources we are used to we will stop using the energy sources we are used to
smetteremo di usare i soliti tipi di energia
and and which we extremely need now, and which we extremely need now,
di cui ora abbiamo un disperato bisogno,
and supposedly we will stop something. What will we be able to stop? and supposedly we will stop something. What will we be able to stop?
e presumibilmente fermeremo qualcosa.
A simple question for smart people.
Cosa potremo fermare?
A simple question for smart people.
Una domanda semplice per le persone intelligenti.
Nothing, because it’s a chain reaction Nothing, because it’s a chain reaction that you cannot stop already, and progression is going on.
Niente, perché è una reazione a catena che non si può fermare,
that you cannot stop already, and no one has canceled the progression.
e nessuno può fermarne la progressione.
If we just look: what we talked about God knows when, If we just look: what we talked about God knows when,
Se guardiamo ciò di cui abbiamo parlato, Dio solo sa quanto tempo fa,
and what for some reason was not taken into account, and what for some reason was not taken into account,
e che per qualche ragione non è stato preso in considerazione,
all this will develop in this cyclical process at a tremendous speed all this will develop in this cyclical process at a tremendous speed in a crazy progression, in a crazy progression,
tutto si svilupperà ciclicamente con grande velocità in una progressione folle
and this is happening.
e sta già succedendo.
and this is happening. Now we... Now we... I also came across an article
Ora siamo... Ho trovato un articolo in cui si dice
I also came across an article that at the end of this century the sea level will probably rise by a meter. that at the end of this century the sea level will probably rise by a meter.
che "alla fine di questo secolo, il livello del mare potrebbe aumentare di un metro".
Guys, God grant that at the end of this century Guys, God grant that at the end of this century
Ragazzi speriamo che Dio voglia che alla fine di questo secolo,
there will be at least some kind of, let’s say so ... there will be at least some kind of, let’s say so ...
rimanga ancora un po' ...
T: An islet of life.
T: Isola della vita.
T: An islet of life. IM: An islet of life on this planet. IM: An islet of life on this planet. That would be wonderful.
I.M.: ...un'isola di vita su questo pianeta.
That would be wonderful.
Sarebbe bello.
Zh: Yes, scientists themselves say that these are times of uncertainty, Zh: Yes, scientists themselves say that these are times of uncertainty,
Z: Sì, gli stessi scienziati dicono che questi sono tempi di oscurità,
times when it is not clear what is going on or what to expect. times when it is not clear what is going on or what to expect.
tempi in cui non è chiaro cosa stia succedendo, cosa aspettarsi.
They already describe the points of no return of climate changes, They already describe the points of no return of climate changes,
Stanno già descrivendo i punti di non ritorno del cambiamento climatico,
meaning, there are certain changes after which meaning, there are certain changes after which
cioè ci sono già alcuni cambiamenti che sono già...
(IM: Of course) the situation can't be reversed already. (IM: Of course) the situation can't be reversed already.
beh, non invertiranno il loro corso.
IM: This is impossible.
I. M.: Certo. È impossibile.
IM: This is impossible. Zh: Yes, it’s impossible, I mean, it’s already only increasing. Zh: Yes, it’s impossible, I mean, it’s already only increasing.
Z: Sì, è impossibile, cioè, stanno già aumentando
And there is a growing assertion that they are sort of And there is a growing assertion that they are sort of
e ci sono sempre più affermazioni del fatto che
increasing with geometric progression increasing with geometric progression
sembrano crescere con la progressione geometrica ed
and it is becoming more and more difficult to stop all this. and it is becoming more and more difficult to stop all this.
è sempre più difficile fermarli.
And most importantly, under these conditions And most importantly, under these conditions
In queste condizioni, è molto importante
even the scientists themselves appeal to the fact even the scientists themselves appeal to the fact
- ed anche gli stessi scienziati lo chiedono
that we need to be first of all human, we need to unite that we need to be first of all human, we need to unite and look for these...
- che si debba essere prima di tutto Umani,
and look for these...
che ci si debba unire e cercare questi...
IM: Ways of solving the current situation. IM: Ways of solving the current situation.
I.M.: Modi per risolvere questa situazione.
Zh: Yes, the ways of solving the situation together, Zh: Yes, the ways of solving the situation together, that it is impossible to solve it individually. that it is impossible to solve it individually.
Z: Sì, i modi per risolvere la situazione insieme, perché è impossibile risolverla separatamente.
IM: Of course, it won’t work out any other way. IM: Of course, it won’t work out any other way.
I.M.: Naturalmente, non può funzionare in nessun altro modo.
If people do not unite, it will be the death of humanity If people do not unite, it will be the death of humanity
Se le persone non si uniscono, sarà la morte dell'umanità letteralmente,
in the literal sense, there is no other way. in the literal sense, there is no other way.
non c'è altro modo.
And again, guys, it’s not a scary story. And again, guys, it’s not a scary story.
E di nuovo, ragazzi, non è uno spauracchio.
We were told back then that we scared people, We were told back then that we scared people,
Allora ci dicevano che spaventiamo la gente,
now they’re saying that we’re using trendy topics. now they’re saying that we’re using trendy topics.
ora dicono che usiamo temi di moda.
Guys, it’s not a trendy topic for us, and we don’t scare anyone. Guys, it’s not a trendy topic for us, and we don’t scare anyone.
Ragazzi, non è un tema di moda per noi,
We’re talking about facts that are coming true,
e non spaventiamo nessuno.
We’re talking about facts that are coming true,
Parliamo di fatti che si realizzano,
we’re talking about what is happening tomorrow. we’re talking about what is happening tomorrow.
parliamo di quello che succederà domani.
IV: And it’s surely very important that this unification comes from people. IV:And it’s surely very important that this unification comes from people
I.V.: Ed è molto importante che, naturalmente, questa unione sia proposta dalle persone (I.M.: E’ certo!)
IM: And how can it be otherwise. (IM: And how it can be otherwise). We understand that scientists are already sounding the alarm, We understand that scientists are already sounding the alarm,
Capiamo che gli scienziati stanno già dando l'allarme,
we see that some politicians talk about this, we see that some politicians talk about this, but consciousness tells many people,
vediamo che alcuni politici ne parlano,
but consciousness tells many people,
ma la coscienza dice a molte persone:
“Well, it was already, it was about that warm “Well, it was already, it was about that warm
"Beh, era già, approssimativamente così caldo nel 1925"
in 1925” or there were “similar floods in some year.” in 1925” or there were “similar floods in some year.”
o "inondazioni simili in qualche altro anno",
But they surely do not take into account the fact that But they surely do not take into account the fact that
ma non tengono conto, ovviamente del fatto
the chaos is precisely in unpredictable increase, first of all. the chaos is precisely in unpredictable increase, first of all.
che il caos è prima di tutto imprevedibile
IM: No, they don’t, can I add something? IV:Yes.
e poi è in continuo aumento.
IM: No, they don’t, can I add something? IV:Yes.
I.M.: Non solo questo. Posso aggiungere una parola? I.V.: Sì.
IM: They talk about those cases, IM: They talk about those cases,
I.M.: Si parla di quei casi che erano
which were (IV: Single) isolated cases, which were (IV: Single) isolated cases,
(I.V.: Singoli) casi isolati
and now they are systematic (IV: Yes). and now they are systematic (IV: Yes).
(I.V.: E ora sono in aumento) - e adesso sistematicamente (I.V.: Sì).
The difference between isolated cases and systematic ones is huge. The difference between isolated cases and systematic ones is huge.
La differenza tra i singoli casi e la loro sistemicità è enorme.
Of course, there were moments of warming, there was something else, Of course, there were moments of warming, there was something else,
Certo, ci sono stati momenti di riscaldamento, c'è stato qualcos'altro,
but humanity, for the first time in its history, is facing what we are coming to. but humanity, for the first time in its history, is facing what we are coming to.
ma l'umanità per la prima volta nella sua storia si trova ad affrontare quello a cui stiamo arrivando.
It’s the first experience of this humanity. It’s the first experience of this humanity.
È la prima esperienza per questa umanità.
And the question is: will our civilization survive or not? IV:Definitely.
E la domanda è:
And the question is: will our civilization survive or not? IV: Definitely.
la nostra civiltà sopravviverà o no? I.V.: Certo.
IM: It’s like, you know, I’ll put it in simple terms, it’s such a litmus test. IM: It’s like, you know, I’ll put it in simple terms, it’s such a litmus test.
I.M.: Sa, lo dirò in termini semplici, è una prova per questa umanità o, detto diversamente,
Or a humaneness test, let’s put it otherwise, Or a humaneness test, let’s put it otherwise,
è un test per provare il grado di umanità delle persone,
whether we are worthy to exist or not. There’s no other way to put it. whether we are worthy to exist or not. There’s no other way to put it.
se siamo degni o meno di esistere.
IV: Interestingly, even the climatic catastrophes that happened last year,
Non c'è altro modo per dirlo.
IV:Interestingly, even the climatic catastrophes that happened last year,
I.V.: Ed ecco cosa è interessante, anche i disastri climatici come quelli dell'anno scorso...
we took, for example, the neighboring region in Russia, we took, for example, the neighboring region in Russia,
Beh, abbiamo preso, per esempio, una regione russa vicina a noi,
there was a series of disasters, floods, and fires, there was a series of disasters, floods, and fires,
dove c'è stata una serie di disastri, inondazioni, e incendi.
and when the trouble happened there, people themselves united in some societies, and when the trouble happened there, people themselves united in some societies, created rescue squads, informed people, created rescue squads, informed people,
Lì c’erano delle persone che, quando sono successi dei problemi, si sono unite in gruppi e, hanno creato delle squadre di soccorso,
took out neighbors, saved people's property, took out neighbors, saved people's property,
hanno allertato la popolazione, hanno aiutato i vicini a fuggire, e a salvare le loro proprietà.
but it was already during a disaster and they were making decisions, but it was already during a disaster and they were making decisions,
Ma si trattava di una disgrazia, e hanno preso delle decisioni,
sort of, they were putting out a fire. sort of, they were putting out a fire.
che hanno permesso di spegnere il fuoco.
And thank goodness they got organized at least like that, And thank goodness they got organized at least like that,
E meno male che si sono organizzati in questo modo,
but it is possible to at least envisage everything, isn’t it? but it is possible to at least envisage everything, isn’t it?
ma si sarebbe potuto prevedere tutto questo.
Why should we allow the trouble to come to the house? After all, it is possible… Why should we allow the trouble to come to the house? After all, it is possible…
Perché permettere ai guai di entrare in casa?
IM: In order to unite after that, right? IV: Exactly. In order to unite after that.
I.M.: "Per unirsi in seguito".E’ vero?
IM: In order to unite after that, right? IV:Exactly. In order to unite after that.
I. V.: Certo. Per unirsi in seguito.
IM: And now you have touched upon upon the region — Russia. IM: And now you have touched upon upon the region — Russia.
I.M.: Ora abbiamo parlato della Russia.
As of today, everything comes mostly from Russia. As of today, everything comes mostly from Russia. Why?
Beh, oggi tutto viene principalmente dalla Russia.
Why? I will explain. I will explain.
Perché? Le spiego.
The largest increase in temperature occurs in Russia. The largest increase in temperature occurs in Russia.
L’aumento di temperatura in Russia
From 2 to 2.5 times - this is the threshold it has already crossed. From 2 to 2.5 times faster than anywhere else in the world.
è di 2-2,5 volte più veloce che in tutto il mondo.
This is a catastrophe. This is a catastrophe.
È un disastro ma, scusatemi,
And if we take what will happen next - And if we take what will happen next -
se prendiamo quello che succede dopo:
this is, excuse me, permafrost, and everything else. this is, excuse me, permafrost, and everything else.
il permafrost e tutto il resto.
The emissions after the defrosting of the permafrost, The emissions after the defrosting of the permafrost,
le emissioni dopo lo scongelamento del permafrost,
which will occur, they will accelerate even more, which will occur, they will accelerate even more,
accelereranno ancora di più,
in other words, the progression will accelerate even faster, and this is already not far off. in other words, the progression will accelerate even faster,
cioè la progressione accelererà ancora di più, e non è lontana.
and this is already not far off. What do we see in places where permafrost was? What do we see in places where permafrost was?
Che cosa vediamo adesso dove prima si trovava il permafrost?
IV:There is a swamp already.
I. V.: Ci sono già delle paludi.
IV: There is a swamp already. IM: There is a swamp already.
I.M: Ci sono già delle paludi
IM: There is a swamp already. And much more.
e molto altro ancora.
And much more. But the most interesting thing is how people’s consciousness works. But the most interesting thing is how people’s consciousness works.
Ma la cosa più interessante è come funziona la coscienza delle persone.
We’ve just mentioned that the fastest climatic changes occur in Russia, in its territories. We’ve just mentioned that the fastest climatic changes occur in Russia, in its territories.
Ora abbiamo notato che i cambiamenti climatici più rapidi si stanno verificando in Russia.
But what are those very politicians talking about? But what are that very politicians talking about?
Ma di cosa parlano gli stessi politici?
Sporadically, Sporadically, but they say that it is because the United States used some kind of but they say that it is because the United States used some kind of
Singolarmente, dicono che gli Stati Uniti hanno usato (T.: Cospirazione, cospirazione segreta)
(T: Conspirologists, yes.) (T: Conspirologists, yes. Secret Conspiracy) climatic weapon against Russia. IM: Yes. (T: Secret сonspiracy) climatic weapon against Russia.
un qualche tipo di arma, climatica,
Let’s recall what happened a couple of years ago,
diretta contro la Russia.
Let’s recall what happened a couple of years ago,
Ricordiamo quello che è successo un paio di anni fa
and the year before last one in the United States of America.
(e l'anno scorso)
and the year before last one in the United States of America.
sul territorio degli Stati Uniti.
This year was more favorable for them. This year was more favorable for them.
Quest'anno è stato più favorevole per loro.
But what did they talk about? That Russia uses some kind of weapon against them.
Ma di che cosa parlavano?
But what did they talk about? That Russia uses some kind of weapon against them.
Che la Russia stava usando un qualche tipo di arma contro di loro.
But this also led people away from a broader, holistic view on what was happening. But this also led people away
Ma questo ha anche allontanato le persone da una visione più ampia,
from a broader, holistic view on what was happening.
una visione olistica di ciò che stava accadendo.
After all, it is much easier for someone to blame someone. After all, it is much easier for someone to blame someone.
È molto più facile dare la colpa a qualcuno. Perché?
Why? Because if Russia really used the climatic weapon against America Why? Because if Russia really used the climatic weapon against America or or America used it against Russia, America used it against Russia,
Perché se in realtà la Russia usasse contro l'America o l'America contro la Russia,
or, let’s say, or, let’s say, some third country used it against them both, some third country used it against them both,
o, diciamo, qualche paese terzo ne usasse contro questi due,
that would be great. that would be great.
sarebbe fantastico. Perché?
Why? Today they used it, tomorrow they don’t use it, right? Today they used it, tomorrow they don’t use it, right?
Se l'hanno fatto oggi, non lo faranno domani.
And everything gets better.
Davvero? E tutto migliorerà.
And everything gets better. Whereas in fact, everything is much worse. Whereas in fact, everything is much worse.
In realtà, è molto peggio.
In fact, all this happens exactly not by people’s will. In fact, all this happens exactly not by people’s will.
La verità è che non sta accadendo per volontà della gente.
IV: And I would say that IV:And I would say that many people even welcome the increase in temperature.
I.V.: E direi che molti sono addirittura contenti
many people even welcome the increase in temperature.
che la temperatura stia salendo.
Everyone says, “Great, there is no winter! Everyone says, “Great, there is no winter! No need to wear sweaters and get winter clothes.”
Tutti dicono: "Che bello! Non c'è inverno!
No need to wear sweaters and get winter clothes.”
Non è necessario indossare maglioni, tirar fuori le cose invernali".
IM: Wonderful, right? IV:Yes. T: Tourist…
I.M.: "Magnifico", vero? I.V.: Sì. T.:Si, turismo...
IM: Wonderful, right? IV: Yes. T: Tourist… IM: Those very Russians said that new opportunities will open to them IM: That very Russians said that new opportunities will open to them
I.M.: Gli stessi russi hanno detto che si sarebbero aperte nuove strade
(IV: Exactly, right), where they will be able to earn money.
(I.V.: Sì, sì) e avrebbero potuto guadagnarci,
(IV:Exactly, right), where they will be able to earn money. The ice will disappear. The ice will disappear.
il ghiaccio sarebbe scomparso e…. T.: Turismo.
T: Tourism. IV:European winter has come. T: Tourism. IV: European winter has come.
I.V.: L'inverno europeo è arrivato. I.M.: Sì, "gli affari andranno meglio,
IM: Yes, business will improve. And everything is wonderful. IM: Yes, business will improve. And everything is wonderful.
e tutto va alla grande".
IV:And, of course, they don’t understand the consequences, IV: And, of course, they don’t understand the consequences, because it’s already clear that there is no snow, because it’s already clear that there is no snow,
I. V.: E, naturalmente, non ne comprendono le conseguenze, perché è già chiaro
meaning, there is no meltwater in spring, meaning, there is no meltwater in spring,
che se non c'è neve significa che non c'è acqua di fusione in primavera,
if there is no meltwater then the rivers’ level will drop, if there is no meltwater then the rivers’ level will drop,
se non c'è acqua di fusione il livello dei fiumi scenderà,
if the rivers’ level drops then the fish will disappear, if the rivers’ level drops then the fish will disappear, the fish will disappear and, possibly, drought will occur… IM: The ecosystem is damaged. the fish will disappear and, possibly, drought will occur…
i pesci spariranno, e forse ci sarà la siccità...
IM: The ecosystem is damaged.
I. M.: L'ecosistema sarà disturbato.
IV:Yes. It will be... agriculture will suffer. IV: Yes. It will be... agriculture will suffer.
I.V.: Sì, lo sarà e l'agricoltura ne risentirà.
IM: And, excuse me, what have we observed this year? IM: And, excuse me, what have we observed this year?
I.M.: Mi scusi ma che cosa abbiamo osservato quest'anno?
How really catastrophically the water level has lowered. How really catastrophically the water level has lowered. IV:Yes. In all rivers. Right.
Quanto catastroficamente il livello dell'acqua si è davvero abbassato.
IV: Yes. In all rivers. Right. IM: In the rivers.
I.V.: Sì, in tutti i fiumi. Esatto!
IM: In the rivers. In the lakes, in the rivers.
I. M.: … nei fiumi, nei laghi...
This happens, excuse me, basically all over the world, In the lakes, in the rivers. This happens, excuse me, basically all over the world,
Mi dispiace ma questo succede praticamente in tutto il mondo,
despite the fact that somewhere there are floods, despite the fact that somewhere there are floods,
nonostante il fatto che da qualche parte ci sono inondazioni.
somewhere in Dubai they were flooded, not so long ago somewhere in Dubai they were flooded, not so long ago
A Dubai non molto tempo fa c’è stata un’inondazione e cose del genere.
and the like (Zh: Yes). and the like (Zh: Yes). In other words, somewhere there is too much water, In other words, somewhere there is too much water,
Voglio dire che, da qualche parte c'è troppa acqua
while somewhere there is no water at all. while somewhere there is no water at all.
e da qualche altra parte non c'è affatto.
But everyone all over the world basically observes that the water level is decreasing. This is physics. But everyone all over the world basically observes
Ma, in quasi tutto il mondo si osserva
that the water level is decreasing.
che il livello dell'acqua sta scendendo.
This is physics.
Questa è fisica.
There is a lot of water underground, There is a lot of water underground,
C'è molta acqua nel sottosuolo,
no less than on the surface, no less than on the surface,
non meno di quanta ce n’è in superficie,
but for some reason, they count only that water which is on the surface.
ma non si sa bene perché considerano soltanto l'acqua
but for some reason, they count only that water which is on the surface.
che si trova in superficie.
And, therefore, in order for such a Great flood, the deluge, as they call it, to occur, And, therefore, in order for such a Great flood, the deluge, as they call it, to occur,
E perché ci sia un'inondazione come quella descritta nella Bibbia,
the ice must melt, the level will rise. the ice must melt, the level will rise.
"il ghiaccio deve sciogliersi e allora il livello dell’acqua si alzerà".
Guys, but hasn’t anyone got alarmed that water disappears somewhere, and for what reason? Guys, but hasn’t anyone got alarmed that water disappears somewhere,
Ehi, ragazzi, qualcuno si preoccupa che l'acqua stia scomparendo da qualche parte e perché?
and for what reason?
I. V.: … malgrado il ghiaccio si stia sciogliendo.
IV: Despite that ice is melting. IV:Despite that ice is melting. IM: Well, the ice is melting, there should be (Zh: ...vice versa)... an increase. IM: Well, the ice is melting, there should be (Zh: ...vice versa) ...an increase.
I. M.: Beh, il ghiaccio si sta sciogliendo, il livello dovrebbe aumentare,
Yet, water drains away. Certainly. Yet, water drains away. Certainly.
ma l'acqua se ne sta andando. (Z: ...al contrario). Certo.
IV: Yes, the water drains away. It should be the other way around.
I.V.: Sì, l'acqua si sta ritirando. Sì, dovrebbe essere il contrario, no?
IV:Yes, the water drains away. It should be the other way around. T: Exactly, entire rivers drain away, disappear. T: Exactly, entire rivers drain away, disappear.
T: Sì, interi fiumi se ne vanno, scompaiono.
IM: From time immemorial it has been mentioned that the earth is breathing, IM: From time immemorial it has been mentioned that the earth is breathing,
I.M.: Da secoli si dice che la terra respira,
that it has a tendency to slightly expand and then contract. that it has a tendency to slightly expand and then contract.
che ha la proprietà di espandersi leggermente e poi restringersi.
It’s again one of the stages of these climate changes. This is one of the stages of the climate change.
Questa è di nuovo una delle fasi di questi cambiamenti climatici.
This suggests that the problem is taking place inside the planet itself. This suggests that the problem is taking place inside the planet itself.
Dimostra che il problema è all'interno del pianeta stesso.
This trouble is quite serious, This trouble is quite serious, and since water decreases and goes into the ground,
Il problema è piuttosto serio.
and since water decreases and goes into the ground, it will soon come out of it in much larger volumes. it will soon come out of it in much larger volumes.
E siccome la terra si sta restringendo, l'acqua sta entrando nel terreno e presto ne uscirà in volumi molto più grandi.
It’s like, you know, when the tsunami is approaching, It’s like, you know, when the tsunami is approaching,
Questo accade, sapete, quando arriva uno tsunami:
prior to tsunami water in an ocean recedes from the coast, it doesn’t recede much, prior to tsunami water in an ocean recedes from the coast, it doesn’t recede much,
prima dello tsunami, l'acqua si ritira dalla riva e va verso l'oceano ma,
but then it goes much farther than it has receded. but then it goes much farther than it has receded.
quando torna indietro copre una superficie molto più grande di prima.
This is approximately what we face. Well, that’s roughly what we encounter.
Beh, è più o meno quello con cui abbiamo a che fare qui.
And do you know what else is the saddest thing? And do you know what else is the saddest thing?
E sapete cos'altro è più triste?
I would say that the biggest catastrophe is happening in people's heads I would say that the biggest catastrophe is happening in people's heads around the world around the world
Direi che la catastrofe più grande è nella testa delle persone di tutto il mondo,
because many pondered because many pondered and caught themselves thinking and caught themselves thinking
perché molti hanno pensato - e molti si sono sorpresi a pensare
that this humanity should be destroyed, that this humanity should be destroyed,
- che "questa umanità deve essere distrutta",
and inside, many agree with this. And that's the paradox. and inside, many agree with this. And that's the paradox.
e molti dentro di loro sono d'accordo.
And many even assert that humanity must be destroyed,
Questo è un paradosso.
And many even assert that humanity must be destroyed,
Molti affermano addirittura che l'umanità dovrebbe essere distrutta,
but no one wonders where they’ve got such confidence but no one wonders where they’ve got such confidence
e nessuno si chiede da dove proviene questa convinzione
and such a thought in their heads from and such a thought in their heads from
e questo pensiero nella loro testa. (I.V.: Sì).
(IV:Yes). And no one ponders what the consequences of such thoughts are. (IV: Yes). And no one ponders what the consequences of such thoughts are.
E nessuno pensa, quali sono le conseguenze di tali pensieri.
And it’s true, very many people think about it. And it’s true, very many people think about it.
Questa è la verità. Molti, molti ci pensano.
I’d even say, this thought came basically to everyone I’d even say, this thought came to basically everyone
Sì, direi di sì, quasi tutti sono arrivati a questo pensiero,
and they agreed with it. and they agreed with it.
con cui si sono trovati d'accordo.
Zh: This also symbolizes, yes, that it is coming... Zh: This also symbolizes, yes, that it is coming...
Anche questo indica che sta arrivando...
IM: This is one of the indicators and main indicators of the end of the world. IM: This is one of the indicators and main indicators of the end of the world.
Questo è uno degli indicatori, dei principali indicatori,
Before, when the scary stories appeared people...,
della fine del mondo.
Before, when the scary stories appeared people..., some people were scared, some people had something else, some people were scared, some people had something else,
Se prima, quando gli spauracchi arrivavano la gente... sì, alcuni avevano paura,
but everyone had confidence in the future. but everyone had confidence in the future.
altri di più, ma tutti avevano fiducia nel futuro,
Today, people have almost no confidence in tomorrow, Today, people have almost no confidence in tomorrow,
oggi la gente non ha quasi più fiducia nel futuro.
but there is an understanding that this civilization must end and end badly. but there is an understanding that this civilization must end and end badly.
C’è invece la consapevolezza che questa civiltà deve finire e finire male.
These are mindsets in the head. It’s a program that is starting to work. These are mindsets in the head. It’s a program that is starting to work.
E' un'impostazione mentale.. È un programma che comincia a funzionare.
It works both in the outside world and in the inner world of almost every person. It works both in the outside world and in the inner world of almost every person.
Agisce sia nel mondo esterno che in quello interiore di quasi tutte le persone.
And it’s hard to overcome all this. And it’s hard to overcome all this.
E' difficile cambiare tutto questo.
Will people be able to join hands under such circumstances Will people be able to join hands under such circumstances
E in queste condizioni, le persone potrebbero tenersi per mano e il mondo
and all together start taking care of each other: and all together start taking care of each other:
intero potrebbe iniziare a prendersi cura l'uno dell'altro,
not of themselves, but of each other? not of themselves, but of each other?
non di se stessi, ma l'uno dell'altro? E questo è un fattore indispensabile.
(IV: If they live guided by consciousness, then it’s impossible) (IV:If they live guided by consciousness, then it’s impossible) While this is a necessary factor. While this is a necessary factor. That is the answer.
(I V: Se si vive secondo la coscienza è impossibile).
That is the answer.
Ecco la risposta.
T: It’s paradoxical that sometimes they cannot take care of themselves, T: It’s paradoxical that sometimes they cannot take care of themselves,
È paradossale che a volte non riescano a prendersi cura di se stessi,
because the news in the headlines surprises... IM: ...and it won’t be possible because the news in the headlines surprises...
perché le notizie nei titoli dei giornali... sono sorprendenti.
IM: ...and it won’t be possible to take care of yourself. to take care of yourself. If we do not take care of each other in this particular case, If we do not take care of each other in this particular case,
...e non saremo in grado di prenderci cura di noi stessi se non ci prendiamo cura l'uno dell'altro in questo caso particolare,
when it comes to globality or when it comes to the survival of humanity as a whole when it comes to globality or when it comes to the survival of humanity as a whole
quando si tratta di globalità, quando si tratta della sopravvivenza dell'umanità nel suo insieme
and those changes which we can still bring today so that we have tomorrow — and those changes which we can still bring today so that we have tomorrow
e dei cambiamenti che possiamo ancora fare oggi, in modo da avere un domani.
— no one will be able to take care of themselves. no one will be able to take care of themselves.
Nessuno sarà in grado di prendersi cura di sè stesso.
It works differently, in this case, we have to take care of each other. It works differently, in this case, we have to take care of each other.
Funziona in modo diverso, in questo caso dobbiamo prenderci cura l'uno dell'altro,
We must trample on our pridefulness, start looking towards God. We must trample on our pridefulness, start looking towards God.
dobbiamo calpestare il nostro orgoglio, e incominciare a volgere lo sguardo verso Dio.
If we don’t do that... They’ll say, “Again, If we don’t do that... They’ll say, “Again, it’s sectarianism…”
Se non lo facciamo... diranno: "C'è di nuovo il settarismo...".
it’s sectarianism…” No, guys, it’s not sectarianism, it’s a necessity. No, guys, it’s not sectarianism, it’s a necessity.
No, ragazzi, non è settarismo, è una necessità.
Believe me, very soon everyone will be convinced that God exists. Believe me, very soon everyone will be convinced that God exists.
Credetemi, molto presto tutti saranno convinti che Dio esiste.
IV:Well, yes, because people who are guided by consciousness,... IV: Well, yes, because people who are guided by consciousness...
Beh, sì, perché le persone che sono guidate dalla coscienza...
even understanding the inevitability of disaster, even understanding the inevitability of disaster, they try, they try, I don’t know, to arm themselves, I don’t know, to arm themselves, to create some reserves,
pur comprendendo l'inevitabilità del disastro, cercano di armarsi,
to create some reserves, to keep everyone out ( IM: Surely), as if they can survive alone. to keep everyone out (IM: Surely), as if they can survive alone.
di procurarsi delle provviste, di tenere gli altri a distanza.
IM: Yet, what will they be able to do?
(IM: Naturalmente), come se potessero sopravvivere da sole.
IM: Yet, what will they be able to do? And how can they survive if the world changes? And how can they survive if the world changes?
E cosa potranno fare? E come potranno sopravvivere se il mondo cambierà?
IV:Of course. IV: Of course.
Igor Vladimirovich: Certo.
IM: I’ll say more: did Mars survive? IV:No. IM: I’ll say more: did Mars survive?
Dirò di più: Marte è sopravvissuto? No.
IV: No. IM: So, why should this planet survive, IM: So, why should this planet survive,
E perché questo pianeta dovrebbe sopravvivere,
if the planet that was in more favorable conditions if the planet that was in more favorable conditions
se il pianeta che era in condizioni più favorevoli,
and was richer and better didn’t survive? and was richer and better didn’t survive?
ed era più ricco e migliore non è sopravvissuto?
Well, no one has any doubts now that there was water, Well, no one has any doubts now that there was water, that there was life,
Bene, ora nessuno ha più dubbi sul fatto che ci fosse l'acqua,
that there was life, that there was a civilization on that planet. that there was a civilization on that planet. There’s too much evidence of that.
che ci fosse la vita, che ci fosse la civiltà.
There’s too much evidence of that.
Ci sono troppe prove per questo.
Well, where is Mars? Well, where is Mars? After all, there wasn’t just one planet in this solar system.
Beh, dov'è adesso Marte?
After all, there wasn’t just one planet in this solar system.
In fondo non c'era solo un pianeta in questo sistema solare
I’m not talking about Phaeton, okay. I’m not talking about Phaeton, okay.
e non sto parlando di Phaeton, no?
But planet Earth. It exists, its history is much longer, the mass of artifacts proves this. But planet Earth. It exists, its history is much longer, the mass of artifacts proves this.
Ma il Pianeta Terra esiste. e la sua storia è molto più lunga. La gran quantità di artefatti lo dimostra.
Nowadays any curious person can find a lot of evidence, let’s say, Nowadays any curious person can find a lot of evidence, let’s say, that it is not 100,000 years since we appeared, that it is not 100,000 years since we appeared, but there were people millions of years ago,
Oggi qualsiasi persona curiosa, può trovare tante prove del fatto che noi siamo apparsi non 100.000 anni fa ma,
but there were people millions of years ago,
milioni di anni fa c'erano già delle persone,
there was humanity and there were civilizations no less developed than now. there was humanity and there were civilizations no less developed than now.
c'era un'umanità e c'erano delle civiltà non meno sviluppate di quelle attuali.
There are too many artifacts that cannot be erased, and there’s a lot of evidence. There are too many artifacts that cannot be erased, and there’s a lot of evidence.
Ci sono troppi artefatti che non si possono cancellare,
And thank God, many scientists start talking about this
e ci sono tantissime prove che lo dimostrano..
And thank God, many scientists start talking about this
E grazie a Dio molti scienziati cominciano a parlarne,
even though the system itself resisted this very strongly. even though the system itself resisted this very strongly.
anche se il sistema stesso oppone molta resistenza.
And excuse me, the scientific community resisted this very much. And excuse me, the scientific community resisted this very much.
Mi dispiace, la comunità scientifica ha opposto molta resistenza.
They say, “Well, where’s the evidence for that?” They say, “Well, where’s the evidence for that?”
Dicono: "Dove sono le prove?"
While they themselves hid all the artifacts While they themselves hid all the artifacts
E loro stessi hanno nascosto tutti gli artefatti
and expelled from their ranks those scientists, so to say, and expelled from their ranks those scientists, so to say, who tried to say something and tell the truth who tried to say something and tell the truth
ed espulso dalle loro fila quegli scienziati che cercavano di dire qualcosa,
when people encountered this, yes, found a lot of evidence for this. when people encountered this, yes, found a lot of evidence for this.
di dire la verità quando le persone trovavano queste prove e, ne hanno trovato molte.
Well, thank God, not everything was destroyed and there’s a lot of everything. Well, thank God, not everything was destroyed and there’s a lot of everything.
Ebbene, grazie a Dio, non tutto è stato distrutto e ce n’è una gran quantità,
Let’s not repeat this, but fact is fact. Let’s not repeat this, but fact is fact.
non lo ripeteremo, ma i fatti sono fatti.
IV: Igor Mikhailovich, yes, there is a negative program. IV:Igor Mikhailovich, yes, there is a negative program.
Igor Mikhailovich, questo programmma negativo esiste,
Yes, indeed, many scientists say and voice that Yes, indeed, many scientists say and voice that
sì veramente e molti scienziati dicono che è la punizione di Dio,
this is God’s punishment, and indeed we can hear… this is God’s punishment, and indeed we can hear…
ed effettivamente possiamo sentire...
IM: This is not God's punishment, by no means. IV: Yes, I... IM: This is not God's punishment, by no means (IV:Yes, I...).
IM: Questa non è in nessun caso la punizione di Dio.
IM: God never punishes anyone, God never punishes anyone, and it’s true. and it’s true.
Il Signore non punisce mai nessuno, questo è vero.
It is we ourselves who create these conditions. It is we ourselves who create these conditions.
Siamo noi che creiamo queste condizioni da noi stessi.
IV:Yet, can’t this program be changed? After all, it’s in people’s power, isn’t it? IV: Yet, can’t this program be changed? After all, it’s in people’s power, isn’t it?
Ma si può cambiare questo programma? La gente può cambiarlo?
IM: On the whole, we will not change it, IM: On the whole, we will not change it, we will still face a huge disaster. we will still face a huge disaster.
Nel complesso non lo cambieremo e dovremo ancora affrontare un enorme disastro.
The question can be different now. The question can be different now.
Adesso la domanda può essere diversa:
Can catastrophe be avoided for our entire humanity? Can catastrophe be avoided for our entire humanity?
è possibile evitare la catastrofe per tutta la nostra umanità? IV: ...tutta l'umanità.
It can be. Can humanity be saved? It can be. It can be. Can humanity be saved? It can be.
È possibile. Si può salvare tutta l’umanità? Sì, è’ possibile.
And just recently, the question was just the way you posed it, and we raised it. And just recently, the question was just the way you posed it, and we raised it.
E proprio di recente, la questione è stata sollevata esattamente come l'ha posta lei.
Didn't we raise these questions? Didn’t we talk about it, Didn't we raise these questions? Didn’t we talk about it,
Non abbiamo posto queste domande? Non abbiamo detto:
that “guys, we can still change a lot, and just a little is needed? that “guys, we can still change a lot, and just a little is needed?
"Ragazzi, possiamo ancora cambiare molto e basterebbe poco.
Indeed, a little is needed, and we can stop this, and this won't happen?” Indeed, a little is needed, and we can stop this, and this won't happen?”
In realtà, basterebbe poco', e potremmo fermare tutto e questo non succederà?".
Did they hear us? IV: Of course, not. Did they hear us? IV:Of course, not.
Ci hanno ascoltato? IV: No, certo che no.
IM: Now — yes, now they already hear, they are discussing this in Davos. IM: Now — yes, now they already hear, they are discussing this in Davos. Why?
Adesso sì, adesso ascoltano, ora sono a Davos a discutere. Perché?
Why? Because, firstly, they faced the reality that came to them, Because, firstly, they faced the reality
Perché la prima cosa è che hanno toccato la realtà
that came to them, and they see economic losses, and they see economic losses, they see a threat to their lives,
che è venuta loro incontro, e vedono le perdite economiche.
they see a threat to their lives,
Vedono una minaccia per le loro vite.
and they’ve started talking about it — life has forced them. and they’ve started talking about it — life has forced them.
E ne parlano. La vita li ha costretti.
So, should humanity be treated like that? So, should humanity be treated like that? Should they be confronted with the choice: Should they be confronted with the choice:
Così si deve dire all'umanità: metterla davanti a una scelta:
either you die, or you survive? either you die, or you survive? Is that the way?
morirai o sopravviverai?
Is that the way? The way of a reasonable person? A simple question. The way of a reasonable person?
E’ questa la via per una persona ragionevole?
A simple question.
È una domanda semplice.
But why do they not hear when it’s peaceful? But why do they not hear when it’s peaceful?
Ma perché non riescono ad ascoltare quando si parla pacificamente?
Answering your question again, yes, now we can still do something. Answering your question again, yes, now we can still do something.
Beh, ora lo fanno. Rispondendo alla sua domanda: c’è ancora qualcos'altro che possiamo fare.
And like I said at the beginning of the programme, And like I said at the beginning of the programme,
Come ho detto all'inizio della trasmissione,
in order to do this we need to unite. in order to do this we need to unite. This is already the level not so much of governments and states, This is already the level not so much of governments and states,
dobbiamo unirci ma non a livello dei governi nè a livello degli Stati,
as the entire humanity, as the entire humanity,
ma a livello di tutta l’umanità,
because there isn’t much territory where you can create, because there isn’t much territory where you can create,
perché non ci sono molti luoghi dove possiamo creare,
let's say, such an ark for all of humanity, let's say, such an ark for all of humanity,
diciamo, una tale "arca" per l'intera umanità,
where there is enough space for everyone, where there is enough space for everyone,
dove in cui ci sia abbastanza spazio per tutti,
and build Eden in the modern sense, let’s say. and build Eden in the modern sense, let’s say.
e per costruire un "Eden" in senso moderno.
However, this is realistic.
Ma è realistico.
However, this is realistic. But this requires the will of all people. But this requires the will of all people.
Ma richiede la volontà di tutte le persone.
Otherwise, nothing will be done. But still we can do a lot. Otherwise, nothing will be done. But still we can do a lot.
Non c'è nient'altro che si possa fare. Ma c'è ancora molto da fare.
The question is: will we do it or not? The question is: will we do it or not?
La domanda è: lo faremo o no?
IV:Well, we’ll try.
Beh, proviamoci.
IV: Well, we’ll try. IM: It’s clear that we will try IM: It’s clear that we will try
È chiaro che ci proveremo,
despite all the resistance and insults from human consciousness, let’s say. despite all the resistance and insults from human consciousness, let’s say.
nonostante tutte le resistenze e gli insulti della coscienza umana.
But eventually they will come to this again, But eventually they will come to this again,
Ma alla fine ci ripenseranno, ci ripenseranno
they will come running again and will start shouting, they will come running again and will start shouting, “Let’s do this”,
e cominceranno a gridare: "Facciamo qualcosa!",
“Let’s do this”, when it will be already too late. when it will be already too late. Well, isn’t it so? Well, isn’t it so?
ma sarà già troppo tardi. Non è vero?
And that’s the trouble.
Questo è il problema.
And that’s the trouble. T: It’s paradoxical that... what role consciousness assigns to people. T: It’s paradoxical that...
È paradossale il ruolo che la coscienza dà alle persone.
what role consciousness assigns to people. The recent events are the fires in Australia. Right? The recent events are the fires in Australia. Right?
Gli eventi più recenti sono gli incendi in Australia.
This is really something that impressed a lot of people around the world, This is really something that impressed a lot of people around the world,
Ed è davvero qualcosa che ha impressionato molte persone in tutto il mondo,
and they felt that they should act somehow and do something. and they felt that they should act somehow and do something.
le quali hanno sentito che bisogna agire e fare qualcosa.
But then again, what kind of actions are these?
Ma d'altra parte, che tipo di azione?
But then again, what kind of actions are these? A lot of famous people with a huge audience A lot of famous people with a huge audience
Molti personaggi famosi con un pubblico enorme dicono:
are raising topics that “there is such a situation in Australia, are raising topics that “there is such a situation in Australia,
"andiamo, questa è la situazione in Australia,
let's chip in, a dollar per person, for a koala or kangaroo food.” let's chip in, a dollar per person, for a koala or kangaroo food.”
diamo un dollaro ciascuno per fornire cibo a canguri e koala i".
And this understanding that this is actually a very easy decision, And this understanding that this is actually a very easy decision,
In questo modo si può capire
but how the system diverts, say, but how the system diverts,
come il sistema indirizza una decisione molto facile,
say, to completely another goal, directs to other... to completely another goal, directs to other...
verso un altro obiettivo rivolgendosi ad altro...
IM: And I have a simple question:
IM: Ed ecco una semplice domanda:
IM: And I have a simple question: while we will collect one dollar per person to save some koala, while we will collect one dollar per person to save some koala,
mentre raccoglieremo un dollaro ciascuno per salvare qualche koala,
but at the same time forget about people, but at the same time forget about people,
allo stesso tempo ci dimenticheremo delle persone,
we will divert our attention from that goal, the main goal of saving each other, we will divert our attention from that goal, the main goal of saving each other,
distoglieremo la nostra attenzione dall'obiettivo principale di salvarci l'un l'altro,
and will direct it to save some animals - and will direct it to save some animals -
per salvare soltanto degli animali
everything that is happening will accelerate and intensify. everything that is happening will accelerate and intensify.
tutto questo accelera ciò che sta accadendo e lo intensifica.
Here’s the answer for you.
Ecco la risposta.
Here’s the answer for you. You’ve raised a good question. You’ve raised a good question.
Hai posto una bella domanda.
Yes, I understand, I feel sorry for koala as well, Yes, I understand, I feel sorry for koala as well,
Sì, capisco, anche a me dispiace per i Koala,
but I feel much more sorry for the people who died, but I feel much more sorry for the people who died,
ma mi dispiace molto di più per le persone che sono morte,
who were left without anything and the like. who were left without anything and the like.
che sono rimaste senza niente.
Koala is an animal, it’s just... it’s nothing. Koala is an animal, it’s just... it’s nothing.
Un koala è un animale, non è niente
But a human being means something in this world because But a human being means something in this world because
ma un essere umano significa qualcosa in questo mondo,
he can achieve much more, what no animal has been given. he can achieve much more, what no animal has been given.
perché può ottenere molto di più, può ottenere quello che a nessun animale è stato dato:
He can become part of the Spiritual World. He can become part of the Spiritual World.
può entrare a far parte del mondo spirituale.
And the loss, even if not of an Angel, let’s say, And the loss, even if not of an Angel, let’s say, but of the one, who can become an Angel,
Anche se non è un 'Angelo,
but of the one, who can become an Angel,
è però colui che può diventarlo,
is much harder than the loss of all animals. is much harder than the loss of all animals.
e la sua perdita è molto più grave della perdita di qualunque animale.
Well, such... Well, I... Maybe I think differently, I don’t know. Well, such... Well, I... Maybe I think differently, I don’t know.
Beh, io... forse la penso diversamente, non lo so.
I have different values. I have different values.
Ho altri valori.
T: I also wanted to give an example, which, let's say, impressed me. T: I also wanted to give an example, which, let's say, impressed me.
Volevo anche fare un esempio che mi ha colpito.
An example of what the consumer society has come to, again in that very Australia, An example of what the consumer society has come to, again in that very Australia,
Un esempio di ciò che la società consumistica è arrivata a fare:
when we come across information in the news reports when we come across information in the news reports
sempre in Australia, quando i notiziari hanno detto
that people died because that people died because they did not want to leave their property. they did not want to leave their property.
che le persone sono morte perché non hanno voluto lasciare la loro proprietà.
So, people are face to face with a disaster, So, people are face to face with a disaster,
Cioè, le persone erano faccia a faccia con gli elementi,
I mean, it’s not like it’s coming somewhere, it’s in front of their eyes I mean, it’s not like it’s coming somewhere, it’s in front of their eyes
cioè, non con qualcosa distante, che avveniva da qualche altra parte, ma di fronte a loro
and there’s a chance to save at least their bodies, and... and there’s a chance to save at least their bodies,
c’era la possibilità di salvare almeno un corpo,
(IM: But greed has won. Yes?) and (IM: But greed has won. Yes?)
IM: Ma l'avidità ha vinto, no?
well, sort of greed wins in the consumer society... well, sort of greed wins in the consumer society... IM: It is just how far bеyond this line we have gone,
T: ...nella società consumistica vince sempre l'avidità ..
IM: It is just how far bеyond this line we have gone,
Ecco questo mostra quanto abbiamo oltrepassato questo confine,
the line of consumption, the line of consumption,
il confine del consumo,
the dominance of material values in our consciousness, the dominance of material values in our consciousness,
il confine del dominio nella nostra coscienza dei valori materiali
that they overpower the instinct of self-preservation. that they overpower the instinct of self-preservation.
che superano l'istinto di sopravvivenza.
And it seems to me that in a normal society And it seems to me that in a normal society
E mi sembra che in una società normale
this would be a reason precisely for changing our society this would be a reason precisely for changing our society
questa sarebbe proprio una ragione per cambiarla,
so that we begin to value human life so that we begin to value human life much more,
per iniziare a valorizzare la vita umana molto di più
much more, and, first and foremost, and, first and foremost,
e, prima di tutto, la nostra,
much more than anything material in this world. much more than anything material in this world.
molto di più rispetto a ciò che è materiale in questo mondo.
Isn’t that so? Isn’t that so?
Non è così?
IV: And the alternative to the consumer society IV:And the alternative to the consumer society is the creative and constructive society. is the creative and constructive society.
E qui l'alternativa alla società consumistica è una società creativa.
Nowadays, many people are looking for solutions, Nowadays, many people are looking for solutions,
E ora molte persone sono alla ricerca di soluzioni:
and how it can be created, how it can be described, and how it can be created, how it can be
come la si può creare, come la si può descrivere,
described, and how the idea of it can be conveyed to people. and how the idea of it can be conveyed to people.
come la si può far capire alle persone.
Because if you ask basically the majority of the population Because if you ask basically the majority of the population
Perché, se si chiede alla maggioranza della popolazione in generale
whether they are satisfied with the society we live in, whether they are satisfied with the society we live in,
se sono soddisfatti della società in cui vivono, direbbero ancora... IM: Certo no.
they will still say… IM: Of course, not. they will still say… Igor Mikhailovich: Of course, not. IV:Exactly, that “no, they are not satisfied”, IV: Exactly, that “no, they are not satisfied”,
Sì, quel "no, non siamo contenti",
that in any case, something is wrong. that in any case, something is wrong.
indica che qualcosa sta andando male comunque.
And even if some people cannot describe it in words, And even if some people cannot describe it in words,
Anche se alcuni non riescono a descriverlo a parole, sentono però
they do feel that society is organized not even fairly or unfairly, they do feel that society is organized not even fairly or unfairly,
che la società non solo non è organizzata in modo giusto
but that it does not give a sense of fulfilled life. but that it does not give a sense of fulfilled life.
ma nemmeno dà il senso pieno della vita.
IM: It is parasitic (IV:Yes). IM: It is parasitic. IV: Yes.
IM: È parassitaria. IV: Sì.
It is aimed at exploiting one another, it is consumerist… It is aimed at exploiting one another, it is consumerist…
Il suo scopo è quello dello sfruttamento reciproco, consumistico..
IV: Yes, many even give an example: IV:Yes, many even give an example: there are prosperous countries,
Sì, molti fanno anche questo esempio:
there are prosperous countries,
ci sono paesi prosperi, ad esempio, nell'Europa del Nord,
for example, in Northern Europe (Denmark, Sweden), Switzerland after all, for example, in Northern Europe (Denmark, Sweden), Switzerland after all,
Danimarca, Svezia, o la Svizzera dove, dopotutto,
where there is a fairly high standard of living, free education, where there is a fairly high standard of living, free education, and free high-quality medicine. and free high-quality medicine.
il tenore di vita è abbastanza alto, l'istruzione e la medicina ad alto livello sono gratuite .
Nevertheless, again, are people happy there? Nevertheless, again, are people happy there?
Ma comunque: la gente è felice lì?
Yes, there is calmness there, Yes, there is calmness there, I’d even say, it’s my opinion, there is even some kind of boredom,
Sì, c'è la tranquillità, c'è, direi, beh, questa è la mia opinione,
I’d even say, it’s my opinion, there is even some kind of boredom, if I may say so, but there’s no happiness. if I may say so, but there’s no happiness.
c'è anche un po' di noia, se così si può dire, ma non c'è felicità.
And I even came across such things And I even came across such things that are also very typical of modern humanity,
E mi sono anche imbattuto in cose simili,
that are also very typical of modern humanity,
che sono anche molto caratteristiche dell'umanità moderna:
that when a person is in some kind of trouble that when a person is in some kind of trouble or if, for example, he is lying on the street, or if, for example, he is lying on the street,
quando una persona in difficoltà o per esempio, giace sdraiata per strada
people will just pass by. Why? people will just pass by. Why? They will say, “Well, it’s his choice.
chi passa da lì dice: "Beh, è una sua scelta.
They will say, “Well, it’s his choice. He has chosen this, so he is lying on the street.” Right? He has chosen this, so he is lying on the street.”
Questa è la sua scelta: stare per strada".
And they will not come up, will not help him.
E passano ma non l’aiutano.
Right? And they will not come up, will not help him. But after all, this is also very important. But after all, this is also very important.
E anche questo è molto importante.
And who knows what can happen to the person? And who knows what can happen to the person?
Chi sa che cosa potrebbe accadere a quella persona? IM: Naturalmente.
(IM: Of course) (T: Yes) And again, maybe it’s his choice, (IM: Of course) (T: Yes) And again, maybe it’s his choice,
Forse è la sua scelta, ma la sua scelta è sbagliata.
but his choice is wrong. but his choice is wrong. After all, it’s human life that is very valuable. After all, it’s human life that is very valuable.
Dopo tutto, la vita umana è molto preziosa
In any case, to save, to give him a chance (IM: Certainly), In any case, to save, to give him a chance (Igor Mikhailovich: Certainly),
IM: Naturalmente. IV: ..ed è molto importante salvarla
is still very important.
e comunque dargli una possibilità.
is still very important. While in Western society, even in such prosperous countries, While in Western society, even in such prosperous countries,
E nella società occidentale, anche in paesi così prosperi,
everything is presented approximately in the following manner, everything is presented approximately in the following manner,
tutto è presentato in questo modo:
“Well, it’s he who has chosen this, “Well, it’s he who has chosen this, for example, he himself went camping and got in trouble.
"Beh, ha scelto, ha fatto un'escursione e si è messo nei guai.
for example, he himself went camping and got in trouble. So, why save him? It was his choice to go camping.” So, why save him? It was his choice to go camping.”
Perché salvarlo? E' stata una sua scelta quella di andare in escursione".
Or, “he came to such a life, (T: Yes) (Igor Mikhailovich: “...it’s his own fault”) ... Or, “he came to such a life,
Oppure "è arrivato a una tale vita, lui stesso...
(T: Yes) (IM: “...it’s his own fault”)...
T: Sì IM: "...è stata colpa sua"
he himself decided to drink and degraded to living on the streets. he himself decided to drink and degraded to living on the streets.
IV...lui ha deciso di bere e lui ha deciso di stare in strada.
Why help him? Right? It’s his choice.” Why help him? Right? It’s his choice.”
Perché lo si dovrebbe aiutare? No? È una sua scelta".
But this also excludes human relationships. But this also excludes human relationships.
Ma questo esclude anche le relazioni umane.
Still, this transforms them into some kind of relationship... of the animal world, Still, this transforms them into some kind of relationship... of the animal world,
E le trasforma in un tipo di relazioni … del mondo animale
where every strongest individual doesn’t care about his neighbour at all. where every strongest individual doesn’t care about his neighbour at all.
in cui il più forte non si cura affatto del suo vicino... IM: Più debole...
IM: About the weak one… Igor Vladimirovich: About the weak one, yes. IM: About the weak one… IV: About the weak one, yes.
IV: Del più debole, sì.
And this also indicates that there is no well-being even And this also indicates that there is no well-being even
E questo indica anche che non c'è benessere
in those artificially, let’s put it so, seemingly prosperous countries. in those artificially, let’s put it so, seemingly prosperous countries.
anche in quei Paesi che sembrano, per così dire, artificialmente "prosperi".
I will even give you the following example, I will even give you the following example, I was on a business trip to France I was on a business trip to France and also had a conversation.
Farò anche un esempio: ho fatto un viaggio di lavoro in Francia,
and also had a conversation. Well, there’s a family there: Well, there’s a family there:
dove ho anche parlato con una famiglia, che ha un’azienda.
a brother, a sister and a father and they have their own business a brother, a sister and a father and they have their own business
La famiglia è composta da un fratello, una sorella e un padre.
Well, we talked about life, what it’s like living in France. Well, we talked about life, what it’s like living in France. Do they like it?
Abbiamo parlato di come è la vita in Francia. Gli ho chiesto: " Siete contenti?"
Do they like it? They said, “It’s good, we have They said, “It’s good, we have high-quality medicine,
Mi hanno risposto: "Sì, beh, abbiamo davvero un alto livello di medicina,
high-quality medicine, education is free, or it costs very little money. education is free, or it costs very little money.
l'istruzione è gratuita, o costa molto poco.
They like it in general.”
Qui tutto sommato stiamo bene".
They like it in general.” I said, “Okay. I said, “Okay. Then why did these yellow vests go out, Then why did these yellow vests go out, and it was a mass demonstration.”
Io chiedo allora: "Ok. Perché allora sono usciti i "giubbotti gialli?"
and it was a mass demonstration.”
Si trattava una dimostrazione.
And they said, “We don’t know. Yes, there’s something wrong anyway, And they said, “We don’t know.
E loro hanno risposto: "Noi non lo sappiamo".
Yes, there’s something wrong anyway,
Sì, c'è comunque qualcosa che non va,
we understand that there’s something wrong with that.” we understand that there’s something wrong with that.”
sappiamo che c'è qualcosa che non va".
For example, they can discuss a politician, whether they like this politician For example, they can discuss a politician, whether they like this politician
Possono discutere di politica per esempio, se un politico gli piace di più o di meno del precedente,
compared to the previous one or he is better or worse, compared to the previous one or he is better or worse,
se si sta meglio o peggio,
but they also understand that there is no... no happiness. but they also understand that there is no... no happiness.
ma capiscono anche che non c'è felicità.
It’s not even about some extra comfort maybe, but there’s no happiness. It’s not even about some extra comfort maybe, but there’s no happiness.
Ci può essere anche un po' di comfort in più, ma non c'è felicità.
IM: But happiness cannot be measured by any comfort or level of wealth. IM: But happiness cannot be measured by any comfort or level of wealth.
Ma la felicità non può essere misurata in base al comfort.. IV: Naturalmente.
Happiness is an immaterial component.
IM: ...o al livello di ricchezza.
Happiness is an immaterial component.
La felicità non è una componente materiale.
As long as we are, excuse me, dominated by material values, As long as we are, excuse me, dominated by material values,
Scusatemi, ma finchè predominano i valori materiali,
people will always be dissatisfied. people will always be dissatisfied.
la gente sarà sempre infelice.
There will always be protesters, there will always be those who disagree. There will always be protesters, there will always be those who disagree.
Ci saranno sempre manifestanti, ci saranno sempre dissidenti.
The most important thing is the spiritual component, The most important thing is the spiritual component,
La cosa più importante è la componente spirituale,
human, well, human values in the highest sense. human, well, human values in the highest sense.
i valori umani, nel senso più elevato del termine.
When they dominate in society, then everything will be fine. When they dominate in society, then everything will be fine.
Se dominano questi valori nella società, allora tutto va bene.
While we have... While we have... IV:Priorities should be changed. IM: Of course (Zh: It’s just...).
E abbiamo... IV: Le priorità dovrebbero cambiare. IM: Certo.
IV: Priorities should be changed. IM: Of course (Zh: It’s just...). The priorities should be spiritual or at least highly moral ones. The priorities should be spiritual or at least highly moral ones.
Le priorità dovrebbero essere spirituali o almeno di elevata moralità.
T: It’s also interesting... Zh: Yes. T: It’s also interesting... Zh: Yes. It turns out that a consumer society has superseded human qualities It turns out that a consumer society has superseded human qualities
Sì. in effetti è chiaro che, la società dei consumi ha soppiantato le qualità umane
that make a person human (T: Yes), that make a person human (T: Yes),
che rendono una persona umana
and, accordingly, make him happy and joyful and loving. and, accordingly, make him happy and joyful and loving.
e, di conseguenza, felice, gioiosa e amorevole.
So, why does a person not rejoice? So, why does a person not rejoice?
Allora perché una persona non è felice?
Because he has forgotten what joy is, it’s when you are of benefit to another person, Because he has forgotten what joy is, it’s when you are of benefit to another person,
Perché ha dimenticato che cos'è la gioia, che cosa significa fare del bene a un'altra persona,
when you are of benefit to society, when you are of benefit to society,
o fare del bene alla società,
when you sort of do not waste your life in vain when you sort of do not waste your life in vain
che cosa signifca non sprecare la propria vita invano,
but live, you really live. but live, you really live. And you only have the joy because you can serve someone, that you can... And you only have the joy because you can serve someone, that you can...
ma vivere davvero ed essere semplicemente felice di servire qualcuno quando puoi...
IM: . ..for someone. Zh: ...for someone, yes, to live. IM: . ..for someone. Zh: ...for someone, yes, to live.
IM:... qualcuno. Zh ...qualcuno, sì, vivere per qualcuno.
T: This is a very important point, which has also been raised now, about the fact T: This is a very important point, which has also been raised now, about the fact
Questo argomento, di cui avete appena parlato, è un punto molto importante,
that civility is actually perceived in modern society that civility is actually perceived in modern society
cioè il fatto che la società moderna concepisce la ciiviltà
as an increase in some economic indicators: as an increase in some economic indicators:
in base ad alcuni indicatori economici
that “we have civilized countries (IV: Yes) - it is..." that “we have civilized countries (IV:Yes) - it is..."
che permettono di affermare che: "i nostri paesi sono civilizzati". Questo è...
IM: You know, I would deduce the following formula: IM: You know, I would deduce the following formula:
IM: Sapete, io riassumerei questo concetto con la seguente formula:
the consumer-based order means “society is for me”, the consumer-based order means
il sistema dei consumi può essere definito come: "la società per me",
“society is for me”, while the creative and constructive one means “I am for society.” while the creative and constructive one means “I am for society.”
il sistema creativo, come: "io per la società".
T: Great. IM: So, if this paradigm doesn’t change, T: Great. IM: So, if this paradigm doesn’t change, then nothing will happen. then nothing will happen.
E se questo paradigma non cambia, non succede niente.
And even if we return to the climate in this situation: And even if we return to the climate in this situation: can people unite to do something? can people unite to do something? We’ve already said:
Tornando al clima: in questa situazione le persone possono unirsi e fare qualcosa?
We’ve already said: yes, they can, there are still chances, we should work.
Abbiamo già detto che: “sì, ci sono ancora delle possibilità,
yes, they can, there are still chances, we should work.
dovremmo però fare qualcosa.
But until we learn to think “I am for society,” But until we learn to think “I am for society,” and not “society is for me,”
Ma finché non impareremo a pensare "io sono per la società"
and not “society is for me,”
e non "la società è per me",
nothing will happen, nothing will change. nothing will happen, nothing will change.
non succederà nulla, non cambierà nulla.
Yes, life forces them, situations force people Yes, life forces them, situations force people
Sì, la vita li obbliga, le situazioni obbligano le persone
to think a little differently, change something. to think a little differently, change something.
a pensare in modo un po' diverso, a cambiare.
Like I said, we tried to convey to people, Like I said, we tried to convey to people,
Vi dico che abbiamo iniziato a cercare di informare le persone,
we did a lot, informed them, but people didn’t hear. we did a lot, informed them, but people didn’t hear.
abbiamo fatto molto, le abbiamo informate, ma la gente non ha ascoltato.
Life forced them and they’ve started talking: both in Davos, Life forced them and they’ve started talking: both in Davos,
La vita li ha costretto e hanno incominciato a parlare: a Davos, ovunque,
and everywhere around they’ve started talking about unification now, and everywhere around they’ve started talking about unification now,
all'ONU e ovunque hanno parlato di unificazione,
but this is far from what is needed and not the right way. but this is far from what is needed and not the right way.
ma questo non è giusto, è sbagliato.
It’s not enough. It’s not enough.
Non è molto.
People should do it all, and not under constraint — then it will be the right way. People should do it all,
La gente deve fare tutto questo... e non deve essere costretta,
and not under constraint — then it will be the right way.
e allora sì che è giusto.
And if they begin to unite under constraint while standing on the edge of the cliff, And if they begin to unite under constraint while standing on the edge of the cliff,
Se sono costretti incominciano ad unirsi quando già sono arrivati al limite del precipizio:
will they join their hands and jump together, or what? will they join their hands and jump together, or what?
allora si prendono per mano e saltano giù insieme, o cosa?
Is that the meaning of humanity? Is that the meaning of humanity?
È questo il senso dell'umanità?
You should join hands much earlier, You should join hands much earlier,
Si sarebbero dovuti prendere per mano molto prima,
when you are only being pushed to the cliff when you are only being pushed to the cliff in order to hold together and not to approach it. in order to hold together and not approach it.
per reggersi insieme e non arrivare al precipizio.
Because afterwards it will be too late to decide anything. Because afterwards it will be too late to decide anything.
Ma a quel punto è troppo tardi per decidere qualcosa.
And who is to blame? And who is to blame?
E di nuovo di chi è la colpa?
Again, “God won’t let that happen.” Again, “God won’t let that happen.”
"Dio non permetterà che questo accada".
And what does it have to do with God, And what does it have to do with God, if it’s people’s choice, the choice of society? if it’s people’s choice, the choice of society?
Cosa c'entra Dio se sono le persone che hanno scelto, se la scelta è della società?
He has nothing to do with it. He has nothing to do with it.
Questo non c’entra niente con Lui.
God gave life, God gave life, the opportunity to gain Life Eternal. the opportunity to gain Life Eternal.
Dio ha dato la vita, l'opportunità di trovare la Vita Eterna.
Isn’t it so? Isn’t it so? It is.
Non è così? Sì, è così che stanno le cose.
It is. But how do we use it? But how do we use it?
E come abbiamo utilizzato questa opportunità?
What have we done with this chance? What have we done with this chance?
Cosa ne abbiamo fatto di questa opportunità?
We have forgotten about it and begun to serve whom? We have forgotten about it and begun to serve whom?
Ce ne siamo dimenticati e abbiamo iniziato a servire chi?
(IV:The system, satan, right) The one who gives life here. (IV:The system, satan, right) The one who gives life here.
IV: Il sistema, Satana IM: Colui che dà la vita qui.
In other words, we have a different king, a different god In other words, we have a different king, a different god in society as a whole — and the result corresponds to that. in society as a whole — and the result corresponds to that.
Cioè, abbiamo un altro re, un altro dio nella società nel suo complesso e questo è il risultato.
T: We have certainly shifted responsibility to politicians and scientists, basically… T: We have certainly shifted responsibility to politicians and scientists, basically…
La responsabilità è stata trasferita, ovviamente,
IM: To the devil. Right?
sui politici e scienziati, fondamentalmente... IM: Sul diavolo. No?
Simply put,
In parole povere,
IM: To the devil. Right? Simply put, we have shifted the responsibility for our spiritual development to satan we have shifted the responsibility for our spiritual development to satan
abbiamo trasferito la responsabilità del nostro sviluppo spirituale su Satana
and we hope that everything will be fine. and we hope that everything will be fine.
e speriamo che tutto vada bene.
Isn’t it funny?
Questo fa ridere?
Isn’t it funny? Not for me. Not for me.
Non a me no.
It’s true. It’s true.
È vero.
And you know, frankly speaking, And you know, frankly speaking,
E sapete, ad essere onesti,
I am glad that nowadays a lot of people in ALLATRA around the world I am glad that nowadays a lot of people in ALLATRA
sono contento che ci siano così tante persone ad ALLATRA in tutto il mondo
around the world understand this, understand this, they stand on the right position, they stand on the right position,
che lo capiscono, che stanno dalla parte giusta,
they try to convey to people, to help people. they try to convey to people, to help people.
che cercano di raggiungere e aiutare le persone.
The elementary understanding, elementary Knowledge. The elementary understanding, elementary Knowledge.
Ecco questa è la comprensione fondamentale, la conoscenza di base.
But, frankly speaking, on the other hand, But, frankly speaking, on the other hand, I am sorry that people
Ma, parlando francamente, d'altra parte, mi dispiace
I am sorry that people spend their energy not to be heard. spend their energy not to be heard.
che le persone spendano le loro energie per non essere ascoltate.
I simply feel sorry (Zh: Yes). I simply feel sorry
E’ proprio così,
Zh: Yes. But it gives them personal spiritual growth, But it gives them personal spiritual growth, and this is rewarding, this is good.
ma questo dà loro una crescita spirituale personale, e questo va bene, è bene.
and this is rewarding, this is good.
If we cannot save all of humanity, If we cannot save all of humanity, then at least we’ll save ourselves.
Se non possiamo salvare tutta l'umanità,
then at least we’ll save ourselves.
almeno possiamo salvare noi stessi.
We won’t be able to, let’s say, preserve civilization, but we will gain Life. We won’t be able to, let’s say, preserve civilization, but we will gain Life.
Non possiamo salvare la civiltà, ma troveremo la Vita.
This is also good. T: But we must try.
Anche questo è un bene.
This is also good. T: But we must try. IM: This is the most extreme case. Of course, it is necessary and important. IM: This is the most extreme case.
T: Ma bisogna provare. IM: Questo è il caso più estremo.
Of course, it is necessary and important.
Certo, è necessario e importante.
We have to do everything that depends on us, We have to do everything that depends on us,
Dobbiamo fare tutto ciò che dipende da noi,
and everything we can, everything that is in our power. and everything we can, everything that is in our power.
e tutto ciò che possiamo, tutto ciò che possiamo.
Zh: Anyway, the information is appearing, Zh: Anyway, the information is appearing, and we see that today it is being picked up (IM: Of course, it is...), and we see that today it is being picked up (IM: Of course, it is...),
Comunque, le informazioni stanno arrivando, e vediamo che oggi vengono raccolte
and it’s being more and more picked up (IM: Surely).
IM: Naturalmente. Zh: ...e sempre più raccolte
and it’s being more and more picked up (IM: Surely). There already appear scientists in the world, real scientists There already appear scientists in the world, real scientists
IM: Naturalmente. Zh: Ci sono già scienziati nel mondo, veri scienziati,
who are not afraid to tell the truth about... who are not afraid to tell the truth about...
che non hanno paura di dire la verità...
IM: Life has forced them. Zh: Well, yes.
La vita li ha obbligati
IM: Life has forced them (Zh: Well, yes). They began to appear and openly tell this truth when, They began to appear and openly tell this truth when, excuse me, everything has already happened.
e hanno cominciato a mostrarsi e a dire apertamente questa verità
excuse me, everything has already happened.
quando, scusa, tutto era già successo.
Not everything, the beginning, Not everything, the beginning, but everyone sees that it is a cyclical process, but everyone sees that it is a cyclical process,
Non tutto, l'inizio, ma tutti si rendono conto che è ciclico,
and everyone sees that it is happening, and everyone sees that it is happening,
e tutti vedono cosa sta succedendo
and everyone already clearly understands, and everyone already clearly understands, certainly scientists do understand,
e tutti capiscono, soprattutto gli scienziati,
certainly scientists do understand, that it is only the beginning of a big disaster. that it is only the beginning of a big disaster.
che è solo l'inizio di un grande disastro.
And they are already weighing, “What do I lose? And they are already weighing, “What do I lose?
Ed ecco che già pensano: "Che cosa ho da perdere?
I won’t live to the retirement anyway. I won’t live to the retirement anyway. I can talk already.” I can talk already.”
Non vivrò comunque per andare in pensione, posso dunque parlare".
And just remember, how we persuaded them And just remember, how we persuaded them to literally open their mouths and announce this 4 or 5 years ago. to literally open their mouths and announce this 4 or 5 years ago.
Ricordate quando quattro o cinque anni fa li abbiamo convinti a parlare
After all, they already understood this,
perché avevano già capito,
After all, they already understood this, we proved this to them, they saw this. we proved this to them, they saw this.
noi gliel'abbiamo dimostrato e loro l'hanno visto.
We already proved this, excuse me, by the facts, We already proved this, excuse me, from the perspective of their science. by the facts, from the perspective of their science.
Anzi, mi dispiace, lo abbiamo dimostrato dal punto di vista della loro scienza.
How many of them, say, raised the flag and acted? How many of them, say, raised the flag and acted?
Quanti di loro sisono alzati in piedi e hanno parlato?
There was silence. Yes? Do you remember? There was silence. Yes?
Silenzio. No? Non vi ricordatei? IV: No.
Do you remember? (Igor Vladimirovich: No, I don’t) I also don’t remember
Non ricordo nemmeno io
(IV: No, I don’t) I also don’t remember who stood openly next to us and said that. who stood openly next to us and said that.
che qualcuno si sia alzato apertamente accanto a noi e abbia parlato.
Nevertheless, they told us one thing, while, Nevertheless, they told us one thing, while,
A noi hanno detto una cosa
excuse me, they criticized us on other cameras, excuse me, they criticized us on other cameras,
ma, scusatemi, davanti alle altre telecamere
they called us sectarians and schizophrenics. they called us sectarians and schizophrenics.
ci hanno criticato e ci hanno chiamato settari e schizofrenici.
Didn’t that happen? IV: Yes, it did. IM: It did.
Non è accaduto così?
Didn’t that happen? Igor Vladimirovich: Yes, it did. IM: It did.
IV: Sì, certo! IM: Sì accaduto così
And now the same people from the big rostrums are announcing And now the same people from the big rostrums are announcing
e ora queste stesse persone dalle loro alte tribune stanno dicendo
what we warned them about five years ago. what we warned them about five years ago.
quello di cui noi li avevamo avvertiti circa cinque anni fa.
Isn’t that right?
Non è così?
Isn’t that right? T: It's just obvious how the result of this cowardice backfired now. T: It's just obvious how the result of this cowardice backfired now.
T: Si può solo vedere come il risultato di questa vigliaccheria gli si è rivoltato contro-
IM: But if they hadn’t understood it then, IM: But if they hadn’t understood it then,
IM: Ma se non l'avessero capito allora, non ci sarebbe stato...
you know, there wouldn’t have been... It’s not a grudge, no, it’s banal justice. you know, there wouldn’t have been... It’s not a grudge, no, it’s banal justice. It’s a banal level of measurement of humaneness. It’s a banal level of measurement of humaneness.
Non si tratta di rancore, no, ma di banale giustizia . È una banale valutazione del livello di umanità .
And due to this level... And due to this level... or rather, in accordance with it the punishment comes. or rather, in accordance with it the punishment comes.
E a causa di questo livello… o piuttosto in conseguenza di esso arriva la punizione.
Isn’t that fair? Isn’t that fair?
Non è giusto?
Absolutely fair.
Assolutamente giusto.
Absolutely fair. When a person sees, has the opportunities When a person sees, has the opportunities and understands and understands that in his position, with his status,
Quando una persona vede, ha i mezzi e capisce che nella sua posizione,
that in his position, with his status, he can announce and open the mouths of many people (T: Right), he can announce and open the mouths of many people (T: Right),
con il suo status, può dichiarare e aprire la bocca di molte persone...T: Giusto,
can create a precedent and prove this. can create a precedent and prove this.
può creare un precedente e dimostrarlo..
We have nothing to do with their speciality, We have nothing to do with their speciality,
Noi, che non abbiamo nulla a che fare con la loro specializzazione,
we are not climatologists. Right? we are not climatologists. Right?
infatti non siamo climatologi, siamo persone di diverse professioni,
We are people of different professions, but we are gathered, we understand this, We are people of different professions, but we are gathered, we understand this, we studied this, we know this.
ma siamo uniti e lo capiamo. Lo abbiamo studiato e lo sappiamo.
we studied this, we know this. We saw this and observed, let’s put it this way. We saw this and observed, let’s put it this way.
L’abbiamo visto e guardato, diciamo così.
Well, we knew what was going to happen, and we talked about that. Well, we knew what was going to happen, and we talked about that.
Sapevamo cosa sarebbe successo e ne abbiamo parlato.
And they agreed with us because they saw it, and we proved it to them. And they agreed with us
E loro erano d'accordo con noi perché l'avevano visto,
because they saw it, and we proved it to them.
e noi gliel'avevamo dimostrato,
But they were afraid to open their mouths But they were afraid to open their mouths because their status, let’s say, was much more important, because their status, let’s say, was much more important,
ma avevano paura di aprire bocca perché il loro status è molto più importante
they were afraid of losing the respect of their colleagues. they were afraid of losing the respect of their colleagues.
e avevano timore di perdere il rispetto dei loro colleghi.
So, my friends, did you lose it? Did you gain it? Didn’t you? So, my friends, did you lose it?
E come, amici miei, l’avete perso?L’avete ritrovato?
Did you gain it? Didn’t you? You are now respected, You are now respected, you are again ahead of the entire planet, you are again ahead of the entire planet,
Ora siete rispettati, siete di nuovo in vantaggio su tutto il pianeta
telling us about the disaster that came to us and which is coming. telling us about the disaster that came to us and which is coming.
e ci raccontate tutti i disastri che sono avvenuti e che stanno arrivando.
But why were you silent then? But why were you silent then?
Allora perché prima avete taciuto?
That’s the truth of life, and it’s worth thinking about. That’s the truth of life, and it’s worth thinking about.
Questa è la verità della vita, e vale la pena pensarci.
And who are they after that? And who are they after that?
Chi sono loro dopo tutto ?
And is it possible to pin hopes on such people, on such a society? And is it possible to pin hopes on such people, on such a society?
Possiamo fare affidamento su su queste persone, su questa società?
But what do we endow them with? But what do we endow them with?
Ma che cosa diamo loro?
We endow them with status, we distinguish them, We endow them with status, we distinguish them, we look up to them, we look up to them, because “they are great scientists,
Noi diamo loro uno status, li teniamo in grande considerazione, li ammiriamo,
because “they are great scientists, they are leaders of our world.” they are leaders of our world.”
perché " sono grandi scienziati, sono i leader del nostro mondo".
Isn’t that right? Isn’t that right? IV:Well, yes. IV: Well, yes.
Non è così? IV: Giusto.
IM: And here is the answer for you, guys, who these leaders are. T: And you know, at this point the question is already… Igor Mikhailovich: And here is the answer for you, guys, who these leaders are.
IM: E ora, ragazzi, questa è la risposta per voi:
And to wait for some decisions from them, And to wait for some decisions from them, when they, excuse me,
chi sono questi leader e come aspettarsi delle decisioni da loro, se loro,
when they, excuse me, are completely illiterate
scusatemi, sono assolutamente analfabeti
are completely illiterate and couldn’t see a centimeter ahead, and couldn’t see a centimeter ahead, while we are talking about kilometers,
e non riescono a vedere nemmeno qualcosa che è un centimetro davanti a loro,
while we are talking about kilometers, what can we expect from them?
mentre noi stiamo parlando di chilometri?
what can we expect from them?
Cosa aspettarsi da loro?
Now — yes, of course, they speak because this is already here, Now — yes, of course, they speak because this is already here, you can’t hide it anymore. you can’t hide it anymore.
Adesso, sì, certamente o perché è già arrivato e non si può nasconderlo.
So will we wait till So will we wait till we are pushed to the cliff? Will we? we are pushed to the cliff? Will we?
Aspetteremo dunque che ci spingano giù dal precipizio?
And we will only have one step left, and then we will begin to join hands, And we will only have one step left, and then we will begin to join hands,
Inizieremo a tenerci per mano, a costruire città, a salvare noi stessi
begin to build cities and save ourselves? begin to build cities and save ourselves?
quando saremo soltanto a un passo?
Except there will be nowhere to build cities Except there will be nowhere to build cities
Non ci sarà nessun altro posto dove costruire città,
because everything is developing in accordance with our society. because everything is developing in accordance with our society.
perché tutto si sviluppa in accordo con la nostra società.
T: It is interesting that consciousness of many
T: È interessante che ora la coscienza di molte persone
T: It is interesting that consciousness of many has certainly judged these scientists now, but if we look at ourselves… has certainly judged these scientists now, but if we look at ourselves…
abbia certamente giudicato questi scienziati, ma se guardiamo a noi stessi...
IM: You have to judge your own one (T: Exactly). IM: You have to judge your own one (T: Exactly).
IM: Si dovrebbe giudicare la propria...Tatiana: Esattamente.
Guys, no need to judge.
Ragazzi, non si dovrebbe giudicare..
Guys, no need to judge. They are the same people as you are, absolutely the same. They are the same people as you are, absolutely the same.
Sono persone come voi, assolutamente uguali a voi.
Basically, I state a fact and cite them as an example not for judging them.
Fondamentalmente io sto constatando un dato di fatto
Basically, I state a fact and cite them as an example not for judging them.
e li porto come esempio non per giudicarli.
They know their mistake, and many have already called us,
Ammettono il loro errore,
They know their mistake, and many have already called us, because they are too ashamed to look into our eyes, that’s why they called because they are too ashamed to look into our eyes, that’s why they called
e molti hanno già ritelefonato perché si vergognano di guardarci negli occhi e per questo hanno telefonato.
(T: It’s just that every person...). That is not the point. (T: It’s just that every person...). That is not the point.
Non è questa la domanda da farsi.
The point is that everyone has this,
La questione è che tutti fanno così:
The point is that everyone has this, this is an assessment of society as a whole. this is an assessment of society as a whole.
è la valutazione della società nel suo complesso.
That’s the point. That’s the point.
Questo è il punto.
And it is not about belittling someone, or exalting someone And it is not about belittling someone, or exalting someone
Non si tratta di sminuire qualcuno o di lodarlo.
(Zh: Like underestimation). (Zh: Like underestimation). All belittling and exalting at this point, you know, All belittling and exalting at this point, you know, all this is ridiculous. all this is ridiculous.
Umiliazioni e lodi sono solo qua, tutto questo è ridicolo.
IM: I’ll put it this way: do you know who is ahead of the entire planet? Zh: Yes, to underestimate people… IM: I’ll put it this way: do you know who is ahead of the entire planet?
IM: Dirò questo: sapete chi è più avanti di tutto il pianeta?
The one who is Alive.
Chi è vivo.
The one who is Alive.
E lui non ha nulla da temere.
<i>That one</i> has nothing to fear. That one has nothing to fear. And this is the highest value. And this is the highest value.
E questo è il valore più elevato.
This is the meaning of human existence here — to gain Life. This is the meaning of human existence here — to gain Life.
Il senso dell'esistenza umana qui è acquisire la Vita.
If a person has gained it, then he has nothing to fear. If a person has gained it, then he has nothing to fear.
Se un uomo l'acquisisce non ha nulla da temere.
Isn’t that so? T: Yes. IM: It is so,
Non è vero? T: Sì.
Isn’t that so? T: Yes. IM: It is so, and this is the most important thing. Zh: Yes, also… and this is the most important thing.
IM: Quindi, questa è la cosa più importante.
Zh: Yes, also… T: It’s just that when you value Life in yourself,
T: È solo che quando dai valore alla Vita in te
T: It’s just that when you value Life in yourself,
riesci anche ad apprezzarla in un'altra persona..
you certainly value it in another person too. you certainly value it in another person too.
IM: Assolutamente giusto.
IM: Absolutely right. And then you will try to save people, IM: Absolutely right. And then you will try to save people, not koalas if you have a choice. not koalas if you have a choice.
E allora cercherai di salvare le persone, non i koala, se puoi scegliere.
But if you have saved people, then you can take care of koalas,
Ma solo dopo aver salvato le persone,
But if you have saved people, then you can take care of koalas, they are cute animals. they are cute animals.
potrai prenderti cura dei koala, sono animali carini.
Chihuahuas should also be saved, they deserved it. Chihuahuas should also be saved, they deserved it.
Anche i chihuahua hanno bisogno di essere salvati, se lo meritano, no?
Am I right? Zh: Yes, and also...Yes, it’s just… Am I right? Zh: Yes, and also...
Zh: Sì.
T: Also, some old picture of the world has got clearly fixed in consciousness.
T: Qualche vecchia immagine del mondo
Yes, it’s just… T: Also, some old picture of the world has got clearly fixed in consciousness.
è rimasta anche chiaramente fissata nella coscienza.
Many people think that the climatic situation on the planet Many people think that the climatic situation on the planet
Molti pensano che in generale la situazione climatica del pianeta
is basically the same as the one they studied at geography classes is basically the same as the one they studied at geography classes
sia fondamentalmente la stessa che hanno studiato nelle lezioni di geografia:
(Zh: Yes, exactly): subtropics, equatorial, tropical, and temperate zones. (Zh: Yes, exactly): subtropics, equatorial, tropical, and temperate zones.
clima subtropicale, equatoriale, tropicale, fascia temperata...
Whereas in fact, everything changes so quickly, Whereas in fact, everything changes so quickly,
Mentre di fatto tutto cambia velocemente,
even the coastlines are already changing. even the coastlines are already changing (IM: Everything is changing). IM: Everything is changing.
anche le linee costiere cambiano.. IM: Sì, tutto cambia.
And what used to be so inviolable, unshakable in each zone, And what used to be so inviolable, unshakable in each zone,
E in ogni zona quello che prima era così, incrollabile e mastodontico, ora in ogni paese stanno avvenendo questi cambiamenti.
now these changes are happening in every country. now these changes are happening in every country.
IM: Sai qual è il vero problema?
IM: Do you know what else the trouble is? IM: Do you know what else the trouble is? The trouble is that people expect that even if something happens, The trouble is that people expect that even if something happens,
E’ che la gente si aspetta che, anche se succede qualcosa,
it will be happening extremely slowly. it will be happening extremely slowly.
questo accadrà molto lentamente.
Guys, but what about history lessons? Guys, but what about history lessons?
Ragazzi, e le lezioni di storia?
For example, the Biblical flood (T: Exactly), For example, the Biblical flood (T: Exactly),
Per esempio il diluvio biblico, perché non è uno scherzo.
because these aren’t jokes. because these aren’t jokes. And those who studied this topic And those who studied this topic
E chi ha studiato questa materia dal punto di vista della scienza
from the perspective of science and studied seriously, from the perspective of science and studied seriously,
e l'ha studiata seriamente,
they see that the mou ntains were flooded, and everything else. they see that the mou ntains were flooded, and everything else.
vede che le montagne sono state inondate e tutto il resto.
But how did so much water appear overnight? But how did so much water appear overnight?
E tutta l'acqua che è arrivata durante la notte?
Is this because all the glaciers suddenly melted, or what? Is this because all the glaciers suddenly melted, or what?
Tutti i ghiacciai che si sono sciolti o cosa?
How? And kilometers of water have appeared? How? And kilometers of water have appeared?
Come? E chilometri d'acqua che sono arrivati?
Well, we have mentioned that the earth breathes. Well, we have mentioned that the earth breathes.
Beh, abbiamo detto che la Terra respira.
It absorbs water, It absorbs water, and, having contracted, gives it away. and, having contracted, gives it away.
Assorbe l'acqua, e, quando si contrae, la rilascia.
And this happens instantly, it can happen overnight. And this happens instantly, it can happen overnight.
E tutto questo succede in un istante, può succedere in una notte.
T: It already happened on the planet.
T: Era già così sul pianeta.
T: It already happened on the planet. I’ve recalled excavations in Germany,
Mi sono ricordata che ci sono stati degli scavi in Germania,
I’ve recalled excavations in Germany, where they found that there was a tsunami more than a kilometer high, which… where they found that there was a tsunami more than a kilometer high, which…
dove hanno trovato uno tsunami alto più di un chilometro...
IM: They call it tsunami IM: They call it tsunami because they don’t know where the water came from. because they don’t know where the water came from.
IM: Lo chiamano tsunami perché non sanno da dove viene l'acqua.
Yet, the water came.
E l'acqua veniva da lì.
Yet, the water came. And there are a lot of traces everywhere around (T: Yes). And there are a lot of traces everywhere around (T: Yes).
E ci sono così tante tracce ovunque e dappertutto.
They just shouldn’t lie to people.
Basta non mentire alla gente.
They just shouldn’t lie to people. Again we return to those who know this, Again we return to those who know this, but who are silent,
Ancora una volta, torniamo a chi sa ma tace,
but who are silent, because their reputation is much more important to them, because their reputation is much more important to them,
perché la propria reputazione è molto più preziosa:
“Yes, let humanity die, but this won’t happen today, after all. Right? “Yes, let humanity die, but this won’t happen today, after all. Right?
"Lasciate pure morire l'umanità, ma non oggi".
Yes, it will die tomorrow, Yes, it will die tomorrow, in 5-10 years, in 20, or 100 years… Who cares? in 5-10 years, in 20, or 100 years… Who cares?
Sì, morirà domani fra 5-10 anni, 20, 100 anni... Che differenza c’è?
After all, there are still 5 years. Right? After all, there are still 5 years. Right?
Beh, in fondo ci sono altri cinque anni.Giusto?
Will I be a reputed scientist or a laughing stock for others during 5 years?”
Durante questi cinque anni, sarò uno scienziato rispettato
Will I be a reputed scientist or a laughing stock for others during 5 years?” Well, guys, so what?
o uno zimbello per gli altri?". Ragazzi, e allora?
Well, guys, so what? Well, we were the laughing stock Well, we were the laughing stock and still remain the laughing stock for others now.
Eravamo uno zimbello e lo siamo ancora oggi per gli altri.
and still remain the laughing stock for others now.
Has it somehow affected us? Has it somehow affected us?
Ci ha influenzato in qualche modo?
Have we lost weight because of that or... gained it, Have we lost weight because of that or... gained it, if you didn’t want to lose it? if you didn’t want to lose it?
Abbiamo perso peso o siamo ingrassati se non volevamo?
You know, I’ll put it simpler: You know, I’ll put it simpler: dogs always bark at people dogs always bark at people
Sapete, ve la faccio semplice: i cani abbaiano sempre alle persone.
Let them bark. (T: It’s just that also...). Let them bark.
Lasciateli abbaiare.
If you are a dog, this will hurt you.
Se siete cani, questo vi tocca.
If you are a dog, this will hurt you. It means that you understand their dog’s language It means that you understand their dog’s language and what one dog has told you, hurts you.
Significa che capite il linguaggio dei cani e vi tocca quello che un cane vi ha detto.
and what one dog has told you, hurts you.
I don’t know the dog’s language, I don’t know the dog’s language, and I couldn’t care less about what it barks — praises or scolds me. and I couldn’t care less about what it barks — praises or scolds me.
Io non conosco la lingua dei cani e non mi importa se mi sminuiscono o mi lodano.
It’s much more important for me to have people near me, It’s much more important for me to have people near me,
Per me è molto più importante avere delle persone intorno
so that we can do something with them. so that we can do something with them. That’s what is important.
a me insieme alle quali fare qualcosa.
That’s what is important.
Questo è l'importante.
Zh: It’s just that this underestimation is still going on. Zh: It’s just that this underestimation is still going on.
Zh: È solo che questa sottovalutazione è ancora in atto in questo momento.
It’s a very big problem that people don’t understand their significance It’s a very big problem that people don’t understand their significance
È un problema molto grande il fatto che che le persone non capiscono la loro importanza
precisely (IM: Of course) for society, that now… IM: “What can I do?” Right? precisely for society (IM: Of course),
IM: Naturalmente.. Zh: per la società, per quello che è ora...
that now… IM: “What can I do?” Right? Zh: Yes. “What can I do?” IM: “I am an ordinary person. What can I do?”
IM: "Cosa posso fare? no? Zh: Sì, "Cosa posso fare?
Zh: Yes. “What can I do?”
IM: "Sono una persona comune, cosa posso fare?
IM: “I am an ordinary person. What can I do?”
Zh: "Sono una persona comune.. Posso..."
Zh: “I am an ordinary person. Can I?...” Zh: “I am an ordinary person. Can I?...”
IM: E da chi è composta a società?
Igor Mikhailovich: But who does the society consist of? IM: But who does the society consist of? Of ordinary people, people like us. Of ordinary people, people like us.
Dalla gente comune, gente come noi.
And any of us is a part of society. And any of us is a part of society.
Ognuno di noi è parte della società
And without this ordinary person, society is incomplete. And without this ordinary person, society is incomplete.
e senza questa persona comune, la società è incompleta.
What can he do? He can do everything. What can he do? He can do everything.
Cosa può fare? Può fare qualsiasi cosa.
Zh: You once gave an example about the cells of one organism
Zh: Una volta lei ha fatto un esempio
Zh: You once gave an example about the cells of one organism
facendo un paragone con le cellule di un organismo.. IM: Vero!:
(IM: Quite right): meaning, if there is a shortage of cells, (IM: Quite right): meaning, if there is a shortage of cells, then the body won’t function either (IM: Certainly), then the body won’t function either (IM: Certainly),
cioè, se mancano le cellule, l'organismo non funziona.. IM: Naturalmente,
in other words, it’s a mechanism… Igor Mikhailovich: Let’s take out cells
cioè questo è un meccanismo...
in other words, it’s a mechanism… IM: Let’s take out cells from the heart or from the liver. from the heart or from the liver. Is this a complete organism?
IM:Togliamo delle cellule dal cuore o dal fegato.
Is this a complete organism?
È un organismo completo?
Of course not.
No, sicuramente no.
Of course not.
È male quando le cellule sono ammalate
It’s bad when cells are sick, however, the sick cells can be cured, It’s bad when cells are sick, however, the sick cells can be cured, but when they are gone, there’s nothing to cure anymore.
e quando non ci sono più non c'è più niente da curare.
but when they are gone, there’s nothing to cure anymore.
It is the same with society.
Lo stesso vale anche per la società.
It is the same with society. The society without a single person is incomplete. The society without a single person is incomplete.
Una società senza una singola persona è incompleta.
And this is where the importance is. And this is where the importance is.
E questo è l'importante.
Well, everything depends on people. Well, everything depends on people.
Beh, tutto dipende dalle persone.
T: Yes, it is time to actually grow up,
T: Sì, è ora di crescere davvero,
T: Yes, it is time to actually grow up, because consciousness is palming off some childish model like in a kindergarten because consciousness is palming off some childish model like in a kindergarten
perché la coscienza ti rimanda su un modello infantile come all'asilo.
(IM: Childhood). Yes, like in a kindergarten:
IM: nell’infanzia.
(IM: Childhood). Yes, like in a kindergarten:
Т: Sì, come all'asilo:
you will be warned, and holding hands, you will be warned, and holding hands, all together you will be taken to some safe place or so on. all together you will be taken to some safe place or so on.
"Sarai informatо e, tenendovi per mano, sarete portati in un luogo sicuro", ecc..
IM: One good person said, IM: One good person said,
IM: Una brava persona ha detto:
“The whole trouble of our society is that it is infantile. “The whole trouble of our society is that it is infantile.
"L'intero problema della nostra società è che è infantile.
Each of us individually matured long ago, while society still remained in childhood.” Each of us individually matured long ago, while society still remained in childhood.”
Ognuno di noi, preso separatamente, è cresciuto ma la società è rimasta nell'infanzia.”
There is something in it. There is something in it.
In questo c'è qualcosa.
T: How can the whole society mature, T: How can the whole society mature, if everyone individually has actually matured?
T: Come può crescere l'intera società,
if everyone individually has actually matured?
se ogni individuo effettivamente è cresciuto individualmente?
IM: The trouble is that everyone individually hasn’t matured. IM: The trouble is that everyone individually hasn’t matured.
IM: Il problema è che ognuno individualmente non è cresciuto.
This is just chatter. This is just chatter.
Sono solo chiacchiere.
If you look inside everyone: If you look inside everyone:
Se si guarda dentro ognuno:
childishness, stupidity, childishness, stupidity, excuse me, basic dominant animals’ desires, excuse me, basic dominant animals’ desires,
l'infanzia, la stupidità, - scusate - i desideri animaleschi
both for a monkey and a human, both for a monkey and a human,
sono gli stessi sia nella scimmia che nell'uomo e sono quelli che predominano,
where he invests his attention and what he lives by. where he invests his attention and what he lives by.
sono quelli su cui si mette l’attenzione, e sono quelli secondo i quali si vive.
Sheer egoism Sheer egoism and hatred of truth. and hatred of truth.
Un solo egoismo e l'odio per la verità.
Isn’t that so? Isn’t that so? T: Yes.
Beh, non è vero? T:Si
IM: Even now, a wave of negativity is coming towards us. T: Yes. IM: Even now, a wave of negativity is coming towards us.
IM: Anche adesso, un'ondata di negatività sta arrivando verso di noi.
Why? T: Yes, that’s right.
Perché? T: Sì, è così.
Why? T: Yes, that’s right. Everyone surely takes care of himself. Everyone surely takes care of himself.
Т: Ognuno, naturalmente, si prende cura di se stesso.
We’ve also raised this topic, that some are happy…
E’ stato sollevato questo argomento.. IM: Questo è il punto.
We’ve also raised this topic, that some are happy… IM: That’s the point. The truth is hard to swallow.
Т: che alcune persone sono felici... ІМ: La verità acceca.
IM: That’s the point. The truth is hard to swallow. T: Yes.
T: Sì.
IM: Well, excuse me, you have to live with this truth. T: Yes, and what... IM: Well, excuse me, you have to live with this truth.
IM: Beh, mi dispiace, dovete convivere con questa verità.
It’s up to you whether it is for a long or for a short time, It’s up to you whether it is for a long or for a short time, but you’ll have to live with it.
Sta a voi decidere se per poco o per tanto tempo ma in ogni caso dovrete conviverci.
but you’ll have to live with it. T: It’s painful to hear that people are happy with the fact that T: It’s painful to hear that people are happy with the fact that
T: Mi dispiace quando sento che la gente è contenta e dice:
“Everything wil be fine for me, climate change for our state
"per me andrà tutto bene, il cambiamento climatico
“Everything wil be fine for me, climate change for our state will backfire from the positive side. will backfire from the positive side.
per il nostro Stato sarà positivo ma per chi si trova là..."
While those who are there…” IM: “We’ll grow potatoes twice a year.” While those who are there…” IM: “We’ll grow potatoes twice a year.”
IM: "Coltiveremo patate due volte all'anno".
T: Yes. And it’s painful that society is not perceived as a whole unit. T: Yes. And it’s painful that society is not perceived as a whole unit.
T: Sì, e mi dispiace che la società non sia percepita come un'unità.
IM: You see, if trouble was only that it would be getting warmer, IM: You see, if trouble was only that it would be getting warmer,
IM: Vedi, se l'unico problema fosse che fa più caldo,
it’s no trouble, for many people it’s all good. it’s no trouble, for many people it’s all good.
non sarebbe un problema, a molte persone questo andrebbe bene.
Is it a problem that somewhere it will get warmer Is it a problem that somewhere it will get warmer
E’ un problema che da qualche parte farà più caldo
and somewhere else it will get colder?
e da qualche parte farà più freddo?
and somewhere else it will get colder?
Beh, che cosa cambierà.
Well, so what if it has redistributed. Well, so what if it has redistributed. Those who like warmth will move to a place where it’s warm; Those who like warmth will move to a place where it’s warm;
Chi ama il caldo si trasferirà in un luogo dove fa caldo
those who like snow will move to a place where it’s snowing. those who like snow will move to a place where it’s snowing.
e chi ama la neve si trasferirà in un luogo dove nevica.
The trouble is in chaos and destruction. The trouble is in chaos and destruction.
Il problema sta nel caos e nella distruzione.
After all, these changes lead to destruction and elimination, After all, these changes lead to destruction and elimination,
Dopo tutto, questi cambiamenti portano alla distruzione e all’annientamento,
and many people know about this. and many people know about this.
e molte persone lo sanno.
That’s where the trouble is.
Questo è il problema.
That’s where the trouble is. And it’s fine if it would be just the destruction of the economy... And it’s fine if it would be just the destruction of the economy...
La distruzione andrebbe bene se fosse la distruzione dell'economia...
You know, you can completely destroy the entire economy of the world, You know, you can completely destroy the entire economy of the world,
Sai, Si può distruggere completamente l'intera economia del mondo,
and then you can restore it together - and there will be no big trouble. and then you can restore it together - and there will be no big trouble. We, humans, will survive if we want to. We, humans, will survive if we want to.
e poi la si può ristabilire insieme e questo non sarebbe un gran danno Noi umani sopravviveremmo se lo volessimo.
Well, it’s not a question of destroying the economy. Well, it’s not a question of destroying the economy. It’s about destroying the planet. It’s about destroying the planet.
Ma non si tratta di distruggere l'economia, si tratta di distruggere il pianeta.
Do you know what the funniest thing is? Do you know what the funniest thing is?
Sapete qual è la cosa più buffa?
History always repeats itself. History always repeats itself.
La storia si ripete sempre.
Once, someone tried to do something, let’s say, both on other planets and in other civilizations, Once, someone tried to do something, let’s say, both on other planets and in other civilizations,
Una volta, su altri pianeti e in altre civiltà,
the same way he talked,
qualcuno ha cercato di fare qualcosa ed ha anche parlato,
the same way he talked, and we eventually see completely empty red planets. and we eventually see completely empty red planets.
proprio così - e alla fine, adesso vediamo pianeti rossi completamente deserti.
Why?
Perché?
Why? While they had life. While they had life.
Avevano la vita.
Because someone talks whereas someone doesn’t hear. Because someone talks whereas someone doesn’t hear.
Perché qualcuno parla e qualcuno non ascolta.
And someone who hears says, “It doesn’t concern me,” And someone who hears says, “It doesn’t concern me,” or “they talk nonsense.” or “they talk nonsense.”
Chi ascolta dice: "Non mi riguarda", oppure: "Continuano a chiacchierare”
T: They’re inactive, they don’t support this wave.
T: Sono passivi, non sostengono questa ondata.
T: They’re inactive, they don’t support this wave.
IM: Assolutamente giusto.
IM: Absolutely right. A banal inaction, what... IM: Absolutely right. A banal inaction, what... What does the human enemy do?
Banale passività. E che cosa fa un nemico dell’umano?
What does the human enemy do? It immobilizes. It immobilizes. And this is the scariest thing that can be. And this is the scariest thing that can be.
Immobilizza E questa è la cosa più spaventosa che ci possa essere.
A person understands, feels, knows the truth, A person understands, feels, knows the truth, but he is inactive (T: Yes).
L’ uomo capisce, sente, conosce la verità, ma è passivo.
but he is inactive.
T: Sì.
T: Yes. IM: This... This... this is the service to the one whom you should not serve. this is the service to the one whom you should not serve. And the person always serves.
Questo significa servire
And the person always serves.
qualcuno che non dovreste servire perché l'uomo serve sempre:
It doesn’t matter whether he is a believer or an atheist, It doesn’t matter whether he is a believer or an atheist, any person serves either God or the devil. any person serves either God or the devil.
credente o ateo, poco importa - serve sempre o Dio o il diavolo.
There is no other way. There is no other way.
Non c'è un terzo.
When many people serve the devil, why does God need such a world? When many people serve the devil, why does God need such a world?
Quando molte persone servono il diavolo, perché Dio dovrebbe avere bisogno di questo mondo?
IM: We choose (T: Yes) and we make it ourselves. T: Just this acceptance... IM: We choose (T: Yes) and we make it ourselves.
IM: Noi scegliamo e siamo noi stessi a sceglierei. T: Sì.
Everything is simple.
È semplicissimo.
Everything is simple. And it does not matter whether a person believes in God or not. And it does not matter whether a person believes in God or not.
Non importa se una persona crede in Dio o no.
It is important if God does not believe in humanity, It is important if God does not believe in humanity, then there is trouble already. then there is trouble already.
L'importante è che Dio non crede nell'umanità, questo è il problema.
Then there happens what happens. Then there happens what happens.
Allora succede quello che succede.
And as we’ve already said, And as we’ve already said, such “justice” has slipped through consciousness of many people, that “this world should already end,”
E, come abbiamo già detto, tale "giustizia"
such “justice” has slipped through consciousness of many people,
è scivolata dalle coscienze di molte persone
that “this world should already end,”
e "questo mondo dovrebbe già finire",
that “civilization has deserved destruction.” that “civilization has deserved destruction.”
perché "questa civiltà ha meritato la distruzione"..
Friends, you have good thoughts in your heads, Friends, you have good thoughts in your heads, they are fair towards yourself.
Voi, amici, avete in testa dei buoni pensieri
they are fair towards yourself.
che sono "giusti" verso voi stessi.
But for some reason, you don’t include yourself. Right?
Ma per qualche ragione, voi non siete inclusi.
But for some reason, you don’t include yourself. Right? An interesting work of consciousness (T: To everyone), An interesting work of consciousness (T: To everyone),
Ecco un interessante lavoro della coscienza:
it says, “It’s fair that the world will collapse, whereas it’s unfair if I will die or suffer. it says, “It’s fair that the world will collapse, whereas it’s unfair if I ill die or suffer.
"Il mondo sarà distrutto ma è ingiusto che io soffra e muoia.
Selfishness and short-sightedness. Selfishness and short-sightedness.
Egoismo e miopia. Beh, che fare?
Well, what will you do? The facts are what they are. Well, what will you do? The facts are what they are.
I fatti sono quelli che sono. Ma si può fare ancora qualcosa?
But is it still possible to do anything? Yes, it is still possible. But is it still possible to do anything? Yes, it is still possible.
Ancora si può.
If nothing could be done, we wouldn’t try anymore, we wouldn’t do anything. If nothing could be done, we wouldn’t try anymore, we wouldn’t do anything.
Se non si fosse potuto fare nulla, non ci proveremmo più, non faremmo nulla.
Would we? We wouldn’t waste our time, forces,
Non è vero?
Would we? (IV:Right) We wouldn’t waste our time, forces, money on you, my friends,
Non sprecheremmo il nostro tempo, le nostre energie,
money on you, my friends, trying to prove something to you.
i nostri soldi per voi, amici miei, cercando di dimostrarvi qualcosa.
trying to prove something to you. And many of our real friends wouldn’t do with us what we are doing now. And many of our real friends wouldn’t do with us what we are doing now.
E molti dei nostri veri amici non farebbero insieme a noi quello che stiamo facendo ora.
Wouldn’t they? IV: Surely.
Non è vero? IV: Certo.
Wouldn’t they? (IV:Surely). Yes, we would rest, enjoy while we have warmth, Yes, we would rest, enjoy while we have warmth, we would enjoy life. we would enjoy life.
ІМ: Sì, ci riposeremmo, ci divertiremmo finché abbiamo ancora il calore, ci godremmo la vita.
Even if not for a long time, but would enjoy it. Even if not for a long time, but would enjoy it.
Non per molto, ma godremmo.
IV: Well, everything still depends on us, IV:Well, everything still depends on us,
IV: Cioè, tutto dipende ancora da noi,
I mean, there’s still a chance (IM: It depends on ourselves),
cioè, c'è ancora una possibilità IM: Da noi stessi,
I mean, there’s still a chance (Igor Mikhailovich: It depends on ourselves),
IV: noi possiamo ancora correggere tutto, siamo persone comuni, ma...
we can still fix everything, we’re ordinary people, but… we can still fix everything, we’re ordinary people, but… IM: Not everything, but we can do something .
IM: Tutto - no, ma possiamo fare qualcosa.
IM: Not everything, but we can do something.
IV: Ma qualcosa, sì, almeno...
IV: But at least something, yes... IV:But at least something, yes... IM: We can do a lot, let’s put it so (IV:Yes).
IM: Possiamo fare molto, diciamo.
IM: We can do a lot, let’s put it so (IV: Yes). What can we do? We can do a lot. What can we do? We can do a lot.
Cosa possiamo fare? Possiamo fare molto.
Not everything, because there are things that are already irreversible. Not everything, because there are things that are already irreversible.
Non tutto, perché ci sono cose che sono già irreversibili.
We will not change everything, We will not change everything, but we can rebuild much better than it was. but we can rebuild much better than it was.
Non cambieremo tutto, ma possiamo ricostruire molto meglio di prima.
And this is also the truth.
Questa è la verità.
And this is also the truth. We can make the world a lot more beautiful than it was... or it still is. We can make the world a lot more beautiful than it was...
Possiamo rendere il mondo molto più bello di prima...
or it still is. Excuse me, I’m jumping to conclusions. Excuse me, I’m jumping to conclusions.
no, lo è ancora. Scusatemi, ho fretta di saltare alle conclusioni.
T: I like very much that you said that every day, every minute, every person passes some inner test on humaneness (IM: Surely). T: I like very much that you said that every day, every minute,
T: Mi piace molto quello che lei ha detto, che ogni giorno, ogni minuto,
every person passes some inner test on humaneness.
ogni persona supera qualche esame interiore sull’'umanità.. IM: Naturalmente.
IM: Surely. And, let's say, he has a choice how to use his life as well. And, let's say, he has a choice how to use his life as well.
E, diciamo che può scegliere come gestire la sua vita.
And it actually concerns not only his life. And it actually concerns not only his life.
E questa non è solo la sua vita,
Not everyone understands (IM: The responsibility, of course) Not everyone understands (IM: The responsibility, of course)
ma non tutti capiscono IM: Responsabilità, naturalmente
that the lives of millions of people are behind him.
che la vita di milioni di persone è alle sue spalle.
that the lives of millions of people are behind him. This is what people do not understand. IM: That’s the point. This is what people do not understand. IM: That’s the point.
Questo è ciò che la gente non capisce. IM: Questo è il punto.
Each of us is responsible for society as a whole. Each of us is responsible for society as a whole.
Ognuno di noi è responsabile della società nel suo insieme.
So, my friends, let’s live in dignity and with responsibility, let’s love, respect each other So, my friends, let’s live in dignity and with responsibility,
Quindi, amici miei, viviamo con dignità, viviamo con responsabilità.
let’s love, respect each other
Amiamoci e rispettiamoci a vicenda
and live the way that we wouldn’t be embarrassed in front of society and live the way that we wouldn’t be embarrassed in front of society
e viviamo in modo tale che non ci vergogniamo della società,
and that society could be proud that we are with it. and that society could be proud that we are with it.
e che la società possa essere orgogliosa del fatto che siamo con lei.
Thank you very much!
Grazie mille!
Thank you very much! Excuse me for the truth. Excuse me for the truth. All the best.
Scusatemi per la verità.
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