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hello everyone my name is mayhem and
welcome back to commentary catfight
today i'm going to be discussing one of
the only other women involved in the
commentary community friendly fire our
very own stardust now she's not exactly
a commentator she's more of a twitch
political streamer and self-professed
debate bro that orbits the community
debating is my content that's it right
off the bat if your entire online
personality revolves around arguing with
people i think you need to have an
inflated ego and borderline narcissism
to even survive in the sphere stardust
is a perfect example of this as she
turns mundane interactions into some
type of moral debate during which she
can grandstand to her audience about
just how smart she is this is normal and
expected in the current twitch politics
meta but unfortunately she committed a
cardinal sin of the internet
being unfunny there's only so many times
you can ask people where they'd be on a
human centipede with their parents
before it starts to get stale let's say
you're forced into a human centipede you
are the middle you have no choice in
this what you can choose is who is
behind and who is in front of you your
choices are from mom and dad who do you
choose
but over the past week stardust's
content has gone from cringe to
genuinely deluded i get it stardust
you're not like other girls you're
different you're dark
no one understands you so you have to
write tati c-level pros on your knees
begging twitch to unban mr girl stardust
is honestly more of a black hole sucking
out the humor in everything she touches
today i'm going to be diving into
stardust hole and finally saying what
everyone's been thinking so if you enjoy
my video make sure to leave a like and
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turned on and without further ado buckle
up put your dentures in and let's get
started
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because anybody in the debate sphere
would have said that i won one so you
might know stardust from a debate she
had with a fellow debater bunk this
debate was initiated by bunk bringing up
a racist comment that another member of
the panel that he was on named southern
dingo had previously made against
stardust
i just love i love this channel so much
because this is the channel that pissed
stardust the [ __ ] off and i do not like
that person like the slightest bit she's
incredibly [ __ ] annoying cute root
that pissed stuff no i don't know i
think that's right
that was amazing that was me
[ __ ]
i love you she then went on to debate
bunk on this interaction calling him
spineless for bringing up the topic when
you say
that you think something that is is very
clearly not a joke is funny and then on
top of that when other people are saying
[ __ ] and you don't find a problem with
it's totally okay
that kind of indicates to me that maybe
you are worried about your your um how
you're being perceived around that group
of guys you want to be in with them and
you have no [ __ ] spine because you
won't stand up for your own [ __ ]
beliefs because you are a fake
progressive you're fake progressive
that's what you are
as long as it's not happening to you huh
stardust so it's very clear to me you
didn't [ __ ] watch the vid like the
video at all this is hilariously
inaccurate no go go go go go because
immediately the first time that i got
the call okay and first of all i said
that i was bisexual they immediately
came at me saying like homophobic [ __ ]
okay and i immediately started bullying
the ever living [ __ ] bingo and
everyone else in that call
that i also said i also pushed back on
their allegations that they them
pronouns were unable to be like used um
i think i demonstrated that he was
inconsistent so i think that's all i
really wanted to do
about his morals about what he views as
important so
and that was because he laughed at that
[ __ ] joke or that guy like telling
you to blow up your country
it wasn't that he laughed at it he
called it based right and he said that
it was so cool
i don't think her debate with bunk is a
good representation of her skills as a
debater but i think it does demonstrate
her extreme lack of foresight she has
stated that she was an insufferable
[ __ ] on purpose to try and get a
reaction out of bunk i presume i'll let
you i'm not gonna let you talk over me
okay so when you you're talking over you
know you interrupted me what are you
talking about why did you defend my
honor but for you to talk [ __ ] wait wait
a minute i'm not [ __ ] finished okay
like progressive ideas when you're in
these vc's you care so much about people
no no no no no stop trying to interrupt
me i haven't been able to talk about
this entire conversation you've been
like cutting me off
we have no need to talk if you disagree
that you are insufferable in that debate
because that's the source material i'm
calling you insufferable about oh i mean
look there's nothing wrong in that
debate i was insufferable [ __ ] yeah one
hundred percent and that would happen on
purpose but yeah so we agree however she
did this on her very first appearance on
augierfc's channel the audience that
notoriously hates women congratulations
your very first impression to a new
audience of thousands of people was that
you're annoying and that you can't
handle yourself in a debate good one
that definitely won't backfire so
instead i'm gonna be trying to focus on
her arguments themselves rather than the
way she delivered them for someone who's
a self-professed debater you'd think
she'd be able to form an argument in
that clip she was saying that bunk was
somehow inconsistent and a fake
progressive because of his jokes but
painting all progressives as a monolith
where no one has a single original
thought or moral standard is just gan
green levels of brain rot for this
argument to work she would have had to
identify a take that bunk had in the
past and contrast it with the joke he
made however bunk makes jokes like that
all the time even during that same
stream and continues to do so i think
hitler had some good ideas about all of
this i personally think hitler had some
really good ideas i say we elect people
who have like like genocide like actual
genocidal rhetoric i think that's a good
idea we get we get the [ __ ] gays out
all right i just really want genocide i
don't care who it's of so like
well like the holocaust do you like that
uh it was pretty funny it was pretty
funny
it's funny
he has doubled down saying that he would
make the joke again so where is the
inconsistency and how is he being
spineless by saying this to your face
she also made a big deal about how
southern dingo's comment wasn't a joke
when when southern dingo directed that
at me that was not a joke he was a
hundred percent that's serious right i
know i so so you bringing that up and
and you claiming that it was a joke for
you to bring that up you know it was not
a joke you know that southern dingo
that is a complete straw man and was
never the argument however something
doesn't need to be a joke to be funny
dingo's comment about literally bombing
your country which is america was so
shocking and outlandish that it's funny
calling these types of comments based is
a meme in the commentary community akin
to saying oh yeah dude that's a great
idea sarcastically when someone says
something stupid i can't believe i even
have to explain the joke but this
woman's iq is so low it's the same
number as the age of the people that mr
girl is attracted to this is so rich too
coming from the same woman who claims to
be pro-dark humor and who goes around
calling people snowflakes and if we're
being completely honest here stardust
has no room to criticize making jokes
about serious statements and situations
because of her constant defense of mr
girl which we'll get into later on in
this video
did bunk have to bring it up
no
but are you his mommy
no who are you to dictate what bunk can
and can't say on the internet this is
also a guy who has a track record of
saying pedophilia is based as a joke
like in a joking manner saying that
incest is based sure that may be his
track record but like in that specific
instance he was not being he was not
joking about finding me annoying he was
not joking about bringing it up he
brought up a fact
he brought up a fact basically and it is
a fact that dingo said i deserve to be
nuked her inability to substantiate her
arguments is not a new thing she had a
debate with merrick about platforming
her best friend mr girl yes the guy who
made the cuties review who stated that
he was attracted to the adolescent girls
in the movie merrick's argument here is
that mr girl had a bad take on consent
he goes against consent culture to
discuss how consent is complicated in
particular merrick took issue with the
video in which mr girl describes an
encounter with a girl that he just met
where they were about to have sex the
woman said she didn't want to continue
but mr girl continued anyway because
something in her body language indicated
to him that she wanted to continue turns
out she did and they had a good night
together and are still on good terms
that is a highly censored and
paraphrased version of the story that mr
girl told so i implore you to please go
watch mr girl's video and the debate
with merrick for the full context in
that same video mr girl goes on to state
that he thinks it's okay how he risks
safety for excitement and he
acknowledges that this would have been
assault had he misread the situation so
why is it his responsibility then when
he's when he's talking about a personal
story to determine that oh this is the
message that's going to get out right i
mean i could say like i like i like
vanilla ice cream i don't like chocolate
ice cream and somebody could take some
crazy
some crazy conclusion from that am i
responsible for their crazy conclusion
talking about ice cream we're talking
about rape i don't see why his personal
story needs to be like accountable for
every single bad interpretation that
somebody might have over it it's not
actually a bad interpretation that i
have he actually says consent culture is
boring and that you have to trade safety
for excitement so this is my my problem
he explicitly says this he says this at
44 minutes and 10 seconds and i know you
you've said that you've said that before
i i think it's boring too
okay so
i think it's funny i think it's a joke
the content that you put out um ripples
throughout people see that right so
there's a whole large meta conversation
that we're all having everyone who gets
online and talks about consent culture
what they say then becomes part of the
like society-wide conversation that
we're having so i have a problem when
the messages that you put out into that
society-wide conversation we're having
are that you think that we need to trade
safety for excitement and that it's okay
that you rolled the dice with someone
that you had just met because then you
influence other people to perform
similar actions stardust actually
considers mr girl a friend and before
his band they had friendly chats on her
channel all the time she would hardly
challenge or push back against mr girl's
ideas painting him in a positive light
and indicating to her chat that these
ideas are okay merrick spends about 45
minutes explaining this in excruciating
detail with direct quotes and timestamps
from mr girl's videos and when he came
to stardust turn to explain why
platforming him is okay this was her
response
okay so i find a lot of the content on
his youtube to be very objectionable i
think that you drive traffic to it and i
think that you make it seem more normal
and acceptable for other people to have
him on and debate him because are we
conservatives now
okay
i think that he's a good content creator
i think that his videos are great i
think they're excellent quality i think
he explores topics in a very
uncomfortable way and i think it makes
people scared and i think that's a good
thing um so yeah i will always own up to
it and you know what i will continue to
own up to that interview being one of
the best pieces of content that i've
made on my channel when you talk about
this sort of really serious thing with
this level of flippancy and conjecture i
think that this is really harmful
because i don't think it's harmful and
when you're just conjecturing things
about a really serious topic that
destroys people's lives and impacts
children permanently and forever i think
that's a marker of extraordinarily
incompetent advocacy there is a there's
all kinds of actual information that i
actually went out and collected about
this but you didn't reference any of it
on your stream and you didn't push back
to any of it i don't think that us
having a conversation about this and
maybe speculating on some of the stuff
from our own perspective and putting
ourselves in other people's shoes is
necessarily a bad thing i still
do not think that
that
that there needs to be this um
when we're having an informal
conversation that this needs to be this
this level of precision that you're
asking from me um when we're having an
informal conversation we're both talking
from
the point of view from trauma and we're
both trying to step into
the
into the space of what a
um what the
predator
is thinking and and where their brain is
at
i don't think there's any way to engage
in that without it being at least
you know some speculation
there's no way to engage in that without
it being some speculation he went on
your stream and he said that if you had
studied psychology you would know that
the oedipus complex is actually very
normal it's not that weird well this is
not true it's been pretty thoroughly
debunked the idea that this is normal
there's very very little evidence to
indicate that this actually exists in
real life if you would like
the studies that i have i i actually
know i am aware that um the the oedipus
complex is not really a thing however i
think that it's important to remember
that he was last in col like he's 36 he
was last in college more than a decade
ago so
he's going to be talking
he needs to know what he's talking about
does he it's twitch
yes
yes if you are going to be talking about
you can you can be on twitch and
especially in an informal conversation
again
let me remind you it was informal we're
no neither one of us were claiming
authority in an informal conversation
where a majority of it is us speculating
on what could possibly be the reason for
an abuser being the way that they are
and doing the things that they do that
um that yeah maybe it's not really
important to me that he has this
authority or has you know all of these
facts in front of him do i even need to
explain the dumpster fire of the
conversation we just heard stardust
could barely even get a word out you can
tell she's using all the power her two
little brain cells can muster to try to
form a complete sentence her arguments
reduce to oh it's just a casual
conversation about our feelings facts
don't matter he hasn't been to college
in a long time that's why he doesn't
know what he's talking about when it's a
conversation about rape facts do matter
in a classroom environment you actually
have to follow us a specific curriculum
because
you're licensed to do that your
professional license is on
is actually being jeopardized if you go
against
classroom your audience is 30 people not
not like thousands
i i've seen audiences as big as 500. i
go to college
classroom okay sure in a college maybe
500 people but we've got we've got
twitch content creators with 10k
viewers 50k viewers who are saying the
most
stupid [ __ ] i've ever heard in my life
yes and they should be allowed to say
that and look but they're speaking on it
like their authority stardust if you're
smart enough to tell that they're wrong
the average person definitely can okay
start us
no
they can't
sorry
they can't
the answer is no
yeah i don't i don't know what to say i
i'm not going to be lectured though by
somebody who has the brain of a cold
mashed potatoes on what the average
person can handle and what the average
person can determine is disinformation
speaks about this with an air of
authority and then he spreads
misinformation do you remember what's in
the air of authority
what do you mean by like air of thor air
of authority
in which he speaks so
how do you determine when somebody's
speaking with an air of authority
i think it's his tone of voice i think
it's that he doesn't talk about how he
doesn't know what he's talking about i
think it's that he makes statements and
claims that he's acting like our true i
think that it's important to remember
that he was last in colle like he's 36
he was last in college more than a
decade ago so
he's going to be talking about these
things he needs to know what he's
talking about does he it's twitch
she basically admits to having no idea
what she's talking about and just
speculating but she would never
criticize someone else for having a
conversation about their feelings
without verifying the facts right and
you know what chad i have a problem with
you too actually
what's up
uh yeah i have a problem with you too
because you have the nerve you have the
[ __ ] nerve to question me about my
interview without even watching it like
what the [ __ ] wrong with you why hey
well i just thought it'd be good content
oh okay that's it
um i mean well i don't think i was that
harsh on you about it was i uh well i
don't care if you're harsh on me you
don't have you don't have the respect to
actually look at my [ __ ] content
before you question me on it i didn't
have time to watch it unfortunately
before i spoke all right but maybe you
should have watched it her comprehension
skills are just off the charts because
the charts don't go low enough whether
or not you agree with merrick's argument
is a completely different issue whatever
your views are on platforming or mr girl
i'm sure that you'll agree that stardust
performance and her ability to back up
her argument in that debate was
completely lackluster i i think it's i
think it's disrespectful i think that
it's um i think it's honestly a little
bit misogynistic the amount of hate that
i'm getting for this because anybody in
the debate sphere would have said that i
won one so
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when mr girl was banned on twitch
stardust wrote them a heartfelt
expression of her appreciation for him
begging twitch to unban him i will now
do a dramatic reading of the thread dear
twitch
at twitch support
please
give my friend mr girl's account back
he is a
well-meaning kind soul
mr girl is incredibly creative and
talented and i can only see him growing
he may have controversial ways of
framing things
but that aids him and starting and
propelling a conversation about a
subject forward when i first saw mr girl
i was slightly taken aback by how open
and frank he was
but something about his honesty and his
humor spoke to me
it felt like i'd met a long-lost kin
he believes so much in the truth
even when it ain't convenient he's an
advocate for health overall
and for healthy boundaries
he's encouraged people to better their
lives every chance he gets
he will turn down incredible
opportunities to live by his principles
i don't think most people are like him
i very rarely talk to someone who
understood me
who knew what it was like to walk around
with a shadow over you
i think he knew and never expected
anything in return for me
it's nice to meet someone else who lives
in the dark mr girl
is unafraid
to explore the hard
painful
dark parts of being human
and explore how to grow past these parts
please give him his channel back
it's such a waste if he doesn't put his
creativity into the world
thank you for reading my thread i'm a
pedophile
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pedophile
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this woman is [ __ ] unhinged there
seems to be a correlation between
stardust going mask off and when mr girl
is involved i mean look at this comment
from her from when mr girl went on augie
rfc's show to debate bow blocks and
technicals the girls in cuties were
portrayed as adults they were 11. they
were sexualized for sure but those girls
are clearly children so using the
director's questionable choice to
sexualize them to highlight the
exploitation of children
by exploiting their sexuality to justify
mr girl publicly being attracted to
children is just strange stardust takes
every opportunity to make excuses for mr
girl but why why do you feel the need to
compulsively defend someone so unsavory
this coupled with her incapacity to form
an argument just creates the perfect
storm of stupidity so
the girls and cuties were portrayed as
adults let's see if we can get some
clarification on that point after
twitter back and forth with fellow
youtuber beau blacks he posted these dms
with her permission to twitter where she
explains her take on kids being
portrayed as adults and vice versa you
guys can pause to read the full thing
but i'm just gonna read what stardust
has to say i don't know what would you
say about people who find ariana grande
attractive she's of age she is someone
who looks prepubescent to me but is
sexualized as hell probably a lot of the
appeal to her to men is how young she
looks i don't know dude ariana is
portrayed pretty young to me and her
secondary characteristics are pretty
unpronounced as well but facial
structure isn't what we're talking about
is it we're talking about secondary
characteristics that would make her look
pre slash post puberty even then girls
much younger put on makeup to make their
structure look older lol the pigtails
don't help i don't know dude i think the
map label doesn't apply if it's someone
who has an attraction to ariana grande
the girls in cuties are dancing and have
heavy makeup on and skimpy clothing
ariana grande is pretty close to them in
my opinion
what the [ __ ] there is so much to unpack
here first of all how is ariana grande
portrayed as pre-pubescent
we are not talking about teenagers here
we are talking about children
pre-pubescent children nine-year-olds i
can personally tell the difference
between a 9 year old and a 28 year old
then she clarifies it's about her
secondary characteristics so those are
armpit hair breasts and wider hips sorry
ladies if you shave your armpits and
you're a b cup or smaller you are
portraying yourself as prepubescent and
if someone is attracted to you it's
comparable to them being attracted to a
child this is just another point that
she's gonna say that we have to agree to
disagree on because she can't
substantiate her argument the
into the space of what a
um what the
in conclusion stardust is a certified
weirdo her constant need to prove
herself right inability to concede
arguments and terrible optics combined
into the [ __ ] storm that we saw here
today the worst part about this is that
if she watches this video she's just
going to point out how i'm younger than
her pick apart the wording of my
arguments instead of the arguments
themselves and ask why i sound so mad so
stardust go ahead and find some buzzword
you can use to give false legitimacy to
your bitching and moaning you're gonna
need it i i think it's i think it's
disrespectful i think that it's um i
think it's honestly a little bit
misogynistic the amount of hate that i'm
getting for this because anybody in the
debate sphere would have said that i won
one so he's going to be talking about
these things he needs to know what he's
talking about does he it's twitch
i'm not gonna be lectured though by
somebody who has the brain of a cold
mashed potatoes how long is this
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i'm on the pursuit
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ain't always


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