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Go Beyond You Silent Retreat Zmar, Portugal [Mooji:] You come.

when rained all is falling toward the ocean there maybe fear of dissolution look I am

[Questioner:] I am really dying for Truth. It's like, I've had so much spiritual opening

really dying for truth it's like um I have my so many a spiritual opening

and it's like, what is happening is

and it's like what is happening is I

I have a strong vasana about not being good enough,

have a strong vasana about not being

like it is energy of the mind.

good enough like it is energy and of the

And I feel space, it's like, it's really beautiful.

mind and I feel space it's like it's really beautiful it's so beautiful and

It's so beautiful and it's so simple and somehow, it is...

it's so simple and somehow it is this

this last step I really long to make.

step this last step I really longed to

It's like a step that I somehow,

make it's like it's a step that I

I can't confirm that this is me.

somehow I can't confirm that this is me

[M:] Hmm. Let me tell you something.

did that let me tell you something as

As long as you hold on to being a person

long as you hold on to be a person and

and you may become a spiritual person,

you may become a spiritual person but as

but as long as you are in this state,

long as you are in this state whatever

whatever experience you have, you cannot hold on to it.

experience you have you cannot hold on

[Q:] But I don't want that anymore. [M:] Exactly.

to it but I don't want that anymore

Because everything you will touch is time,

exactly because everything you will

because you have become time. Your self is not consistent.

touch this time because you have become time yourself is not consistent that

That self is not the complete self; it is not the ultimate self.

self is not the complete self is not the

So don't go shopping with that self

ultimate self so don't go shopping with that self because it will only bring

because it will only bring back time and change. You understand?

back time and change you understand it

It will give you little peeks of little experiences,

will give you little peaks of little

little things and you go and

experience little things and you go and

for a while you want to have little experiences,

for a while you want to have little

then you've had enough of what comes and goes.

experiences then you've had enough of what comes and goes hmm how are you

How are you going to find what doesn't come and go?

going to find what doesn't come and go

Then you must go beyond you,

then you must go beyond you not beyond

not beyond phenomena outside;

phenomena outside you have to come to

you have to come to see your self, in this aspect, is also phenomenal.

see yourself in this aspect is also

And this is perhaps

phenomenal and this is perhaps the

the greatest non-step step you have to take.

greatest non step step you have to take

Because, we hold on to identity...

because we hold on to identity I see it

I see it very clearly, actually.

very clearly actually

That we are coming from the place of identity,

that we are coming from the place of

we're practicing, '...even as I'm meditating,'

identity we are practicing even as I'm

but you're still an 'I' who is meditating. 'I'm getting closer, I feel it, I had this beautiful...'

meditating but you're still an i who is meditating I'm getting closer I feel it

had this beautiful I eyes who everybody

Everybody: 'I - I - I.' But 'I' is who? You see?

III but I is who you see establish your

Establish your identity, introduce yourself.

identity introduce yourself who are you

Who are you? Still you're wearing time.

still you're wearing time you see it's

You see? Still, the time-person, is still speaking.

still the time person is to speaking

Then you say, 'But I don't know how to get out of this.' You see? Hmm? But this one...

then you say but I don't know how to get out of this you see hmm but this one in

in a way, it is consciousness also:

a way it is consciousness also

consciousness is playing the game of the seeker also,

consciousness is playing the game of the

and it's genuine in its own timeframe. Unless you are ripe enough

seeker also and it's genuine in its own timeframe unless you are ripe enough to

to come out to the next stage.

come out to the next stage if this is

If this is still strong in your mind,

still strong in your mind and many of

and many of you might be like that still:

you may be like that still you still are

you still are faithful, loyal to this identity.

faithful loyal to this identity so

So what's the best you can do with the identity?

what's the best you can do with the

It's to keep refining it, refining it, refining it, you see?

identity is to keep refining it refining

Then, when it's subtle enough, you see,

it refining it you see then when it's subtle enough you see then it will be

then it will be able to assimilate spiritual truths,

able to assimilate spiritual truths more

more subtle things. Like that.

subtle things like that this is what the

This is what the majority... this is the big river is flowing. So it is one of the pathways

majority this is the big river is flowing so it is one of the pathways of

of consciousness, like that. Hmm?

consciousness is like that hmm it will

It will be flowing, learning, like this.

be flowing learning like this sometimes

Sometimes I point you like this, to say, In this realm, what you must do,

I point you like this to say in this realm what you must do is to acknowledge

is to acknowledge that everything you see.

that everything you see you say my this

You say, 'My this, my that,' and I use this example to show you, that even here, unconsciously, or sub-consciously,

my dad's and I use this example to show you that even here unconsciously or

you're relating to all of life as a possession and not directly as your self. 'My ego, my friends, my family, my belief, my religion,

subconsciously you are relating to all of life as a possession and not directly as yourself my ego my friends my family my belief my religion

my faith, my past, my future, my job,

my faith might pass my future my job my

my spiritual practice, my meditation.' All of this.

spiritual practice my meditation all of

So it is not you directly, you're speaking as.

this so it is not you directly you're

So who is this 'I' who says 'my'?

speaking so who is this i who says my so

So everything that goes, 'My,'

everything that goes my and then this

and then this thing, you can leave all those alone,

thing you can leave all those alone and

and then you're left only with 'I'.

then you're left only with hi now let

Now let this 'I' not be associated with anything now, and see what happens.

this I not be associated with anything now and see what happened then the the

Then the light shines from Him, this one.

light shines them from him this one this

This is the sense 'I Am'. The sense 'I Am', when it's not identified with the person.

is the sense I am the sense I am when it's not identified with the person you

You see? This becomes like the light of the world, the light of consciousness.

see this becomes like the light of the world the light of consciousness

Sometimes I refer to it as the lens of the Absolute. Through the 'I Am', the sense of the Absolute

sometimes I refer to it as the lens of the absolute through the I am the sense

can have the taste of diversity and experience.

of the absolute can have to taste of diversity and experience but this is not

But this is not the final thing, you see.

the final thing you see it is one with

It is one with the pure Self, and it is the Self,

the pure self and it is the self but the

but the Ultimate One is unmoving, has nothing to report;

ultimate one this unmoving has nothing

It is perfect, It's not dead;

to report it is perfect it's not dead it

It gives birth to the 'I Am', and the 'I Am' to the world. But when you speak,

gives birth to the I am and I am to the world but when you speak it's still bit

it's still a bit contaminated - 'I Am' contaminated still with identity.

contaminated I am contaminated still

Which is understandable, because all our life

with identity which is understandable

we're brought up with conditioning, and what you must do,

because all our life were brought up with conditioning and what you must do

and 'You're a girl and you don't do this,' and 'You're from this.'

and you're a girl and you don't do this

And we learn these things, and some conditioning, of course, is good also.

and you're from this and we learn these things and some condition of course is

Myself, I'm very grateful for some conditioning.

good or so myself I'm very grateful for some conditioning hmm some of your

Some of your background teach you how to

background you teach you all to be

be respectful to your elders and stuff.

respectful to your elders and stuff this

This is also a training for consciousness.

is also a training for consciousness but

But then, at a certain point, it's mature enough to go beyond rules, like now,

then at a certain point it's mature enough to go beyond rules right now but

but it moves into the realm,

it moves into the realm into the zone of

into the zone of love and intuition.

love and intuition then it doesn't need

Then it doesn't need donkey rules now.

dumb donkey rules now

It's more understanding, you see?

it more its understanding you see hmm

So, when you speak and say, 'I don't want anymore of this.'

so when you speak and say I don't want

For a while we wanted it, for a while it was enough;

any more of this before a while you we wanted it for a while it was enough a

a little taste of this, a little taste of that, little experiences here and there.

little taste of this little taste of that little experience is here and there

Maybe you didn't even want it to be continuous,

maybe you didn't even want it to be continuous you want to taste all the

you want to taste all the flavors. But then, comes a point now,

flavors but then comes a point now where

where you say, 'No, if it comes and goes, I'm not really interested now.

you say no if he comes and goes I'm not

Because everything is coming and going. Good and bad.'

really interested now because everything is coming and going good and bad so then

So then the consciousness is sufficiently mature enough now. You see? Now it's open to that Absoluteness.

the consciousness is sufficiently mature enough now it's open to to that absoluteness as long as you did this

As long as this sense 'I' is there, then, if it is phenomenal - the 'I' -

sense eyes there then if it is phenomenal the eye then it's also

then it's also perceivable. [Q:] It is. [M:] Yeah. If it is perceivable,

perceivable it is if it is perceivable

then that which perceives it cannot be in the bubble of that 'I',

then there it that which perceives it cannot be in the bubble of that eye

it must be beyond. [Q:] It is. [M:] Confirm yourself then.

it must be beyond it is confirm yourself

In this beyond-ness, do you have any attributes? [Q:] Attributes? What is attributes?

then in this be honest do you have any attributes attributes what is attributes

[M:] Do you have any qualities? [Q:] No.

you have any qualities no if you have no

[M:] If you have no qualities, then how can there be any trouble now?

qualities and then how can they be any trouble

Just perception arises, you see.

just perception arises you see but

But without quality,

without quality you cannot be defined

you cannot be defined now. And for a little bit, still some oscillation is happening,

now and for a little bit still some oscillation is happening from the

from the attention, swings in and out.

attention swings in and out for a while

For a while when it swings in and swings out,

when it swings in and swings out

there will be a little confusion, for a while.

there'll be a little confusion for a

But now there is a changing over of power,

while but now there's a changing over of

from person to presence,

power from person to presence and from

and from presence into the Absolute. This is happening.

presence into the absolute this is

And so, some things may feel a little bit bumpy, for a little bit.

happening and so some things may feel a little bit bumpy for a little bit then

Then you remember that bumpiness is also another phenomenon.

you remember that bumpiness is also

And each time you recognize this, you are again in your Absolute Grace. Untouched.

another phenomenon and each time you recognize this you're again in your absolute grace untouched so if something

So, something is steadying itself, confirming itself.

is studying itself confirming itself at

At a certain point, there will not be any more need to confirm.

a certain point there would not be any more need to confirm you have to follow

You have to follow this through.

this through you have to leave

You have to leave everything.

everything when I say leave everything I

When I say, Leave everything, I don't mean necessarily physically;

don't mean necessarily physically I

I don't mean you have to leave your job and your family.

don't mean you have to leave your job

Some people feel they have to do that; they must leave their job and their family,

and your family some people feel they have to do that they must leave their

to make a singular journey, become a monk and really get into these things.

job and your family to make a singular a journey and become a monk and really get into these things but I don't feel you

But I don't feel you have to do this physically, necessarily.

have to do this physically necessarily

But you must do it mentally;

but you must do it mentally must learn

you must learn to leave things, become more detached.

to leave things become more detached

Even, you don't need to do it even mentally,

evenly you don't need to do it even

deliberately speaking,

mentally deliberately speaking just your

just your love and your urge for this

love and your urge for this puts

puts everything else in the shadow.

everything else in the shadow isn't it

Isn't it? And you become fascinated with this,

and you become fascinated with this just

just like if you really fall in love,

like if you really fall in love nobody

nobody has to remind you to remember your beloved.

has to remind you to remember your beloved please have you remembered your

'Please have you remembered your beloved?'

How can you forget? Every breath. You see?

look how can you forget every bet you

Even when you're doing something,

see when you're doing something it

it happens in the memory of the beloved, like that.

happens in the memory of the beloved

So you don't have to try and get rid of anything else.

like that so you don't have to try and get rid of anything else you just don't

You just don't even see them. Isn't it? So like this, this turn is happening to you,

even see them isn't it so like this this this this Turnus is happening to you if

if you welcome it, you see? If you don't pay attention to these things,

you welcome it you see if you're not if you don't pay attention to these things

you may still keep your ego

you may still keep your ego and your ego

and your ego just wants experience.

just once experienced and you're just

And you're just running away from life,

running away from life because you can't

because you can't face your life,

face your life so you just want to be

so you just want to be nothing, because you can't face your life.

nothing because you can't face your life

And in the end, you just end up being a kind of spiritual ego.

and in the end you just end up being a kind of spiritual ego even from ego to

Even from ego to super-ego, even. So this thing, you have to be careful. Some genuine one here and there go through.

super-ego even so this thing you have to be careful some genuine one here and there go true and the bright and the

And the bright light and the bright wisdom,

bright lights and a bright wisdom we are

we are all that, but I have no time for time-wasting. A genuine one shines out somehow.

all debts but I have no time for time wasting a genuine one shines out somehow

Are you that one, you see?

are you that one you see when this was

When this was felt here in my life also,

felt here in my life also I walked out

I walked out of my life; I walked out of myself, in fact,

of my life I walk out of myself in fact

because I never knew anything like this,

because I never knew anything like this

in the whole of my life.

and all of my life and I have not had a

And I have not had a monochromatic life,

monochromatic life quite colorful in

quite colorful in places. [Laughter]

places and still nothing like this had

And still nothing like this had been tasted, like that. And so convinced, so totally sure of it, I walked out of everything.

been tasted by then and so convinced so totally sure of it I walked out of

In my heart, I walked out of everything. You see?

everything in my heart I walked out of everything you see in those days I could

In those days I could not - I didn't have any money to go to India and places like that, in that time.

not I didn't have any money to go to Indian places like that in that time I

I had to be in my town, where people knew me.

had to be in my town where people knew

I was a teacher at college, and so on.

me as a teacher at college and so on and

And all these changes were going on,

all these changes were going on so so so

I didn't have the privilege to go away

I didn't have the privilege to go away

and act out my 'little craziness.'

and act out my little craziness right in

Right in the town in front of everyone, it was going on.

the town in front of everyone it was

[Laughter] You see?

going on you see but I knew in my heart

But I knew in my heart, that even if everyone in the world who knew me and did not know me,

that even if everyone in the world who

looked and say, 'We reject you!'

knew me and did not know me looked and say we reject you

Something was strong enough to say, 'That's okay.

something was strong enough to say that's okay that's okay

That's okay, I've found something greater than all this put together.' And I exchanged my life for it. [Q:] Mooji, I have the same, and I feel a tiger in me,

I found something greater than all this put together and I exchanged my life for it may I have the same and I feel a

like, l feel the tendencies of my mind,

tiger in me like I feel that tendencies

and then now I just feel like a tiger, like, 'Aargh!' Like, you know, 'Not this!'

of my mind and then now I just feel like a tiger like like you know not this like

like I'm so... [M:] If you have chosen and said, 'Yes' to the Truth, [Q:] Totally, like full...

I'm so if you have chosen yeah and said yes to the true totally like then it

[M:] Then it doesn't matter if tiger come or not.

doesn't matter Tiger come or not

It doesn't matter if tiger come or not.

it doesn't matter if Tiger come or not

Because if you have chosen... if the tiger is the top of the food chain,

because if you have chosen if the tiger is the top of the food chain and you say

and you say, 'But what's going to eat the tiger now?' Then a little mosquito will come and bite him.

but what what's going to heat the diagonal then a little mosquito will

[Questioner laughs] [M:] And he'll be finished.

come and bite and he will be finished it

It doesn't matter if you have chosen truth inside your heart,

doesn't matter if you have chosen truth

you don't have to worry, 'Oh, my enemy is so big.'

inside your heart you don't have to worry all my enemies so big or nor

Oh no, forget about it. But, if you're only shown this much,

forget about it but if you only shown

then make your stand with that much.

this much then make your stand with that

[Q:] Sorry? If... [M:] If you've only shown in your heart,

much sorry if you've only shown in your

only this you're sure about,

heart the only dish you're sure about

then if you're only sure about this much, of anything,

then if you're only sure about this much

then stand firmly in that much of it.

of anything then stand firmly in that much of it don't go look at what you

Don't go look at what you don't know,

don't know and what I need to do and

and what I need to do; leave all of this.

leave all of this because the mind has

Because the mind has spread itself very wide

spread itself very wide and when it's

and when it's like that you must go through a very tiny opening,

like that you must go to a very tiny

and everything is going to be possible for you.

opening and everything is going to be

Don't walk alone as a person;

for you don't walk alone as a person

surrender the person,

surrender up the person and the power

and a power will come to be with you, and guide your way.

will come to be with you guide your way

You see? Because the only way that mind can somehow

you see because the only way that mine

overwhelm you, is when you are distracted enough

can somehow overwhelm you is when you

to just be a person.

are distracted enough to just be a person the person is a very vulnerable

A person is a very vulnerable entity,

entity but as soon as you remember that

but as soon as you remember that you are consciousness,

your consciousness the powers of the

the powers of the mind wane; they have no power.

mind wane they have no power so don't

So don't sit there going on about how great the mind is. Once I was in Portugal...

sit there going about how great the mind is once I was in Portugal I'm in

I'm in Portugal! [Laughter]

[M:] I was in some Portuguese village,

I was in South Portuguese village that

and we stopped for coffee,

we stopped for coffee and on the wall I

and on the wall I say a writing,

saw a writing but I could not understand

but I could not understand, I asked my friend what it says.

I asked my friend what it says and what

And what it said is, it says, 'Don't say to God, "I have a big problem!" Say to the problem, "I have a great God!" '

it said is it says don't say to God I have a big problem say to the problem I

[Laughter] [M:] I thought, this is a positive way of looking at life.

have a great God I thought this is positive way of looking at life don't be

Don't be sitting talking about how big the mind is.

sitting talk about how big the mind is

In some churches you go, all they talk about is the devil.

in some churches you go all they talk

'Watch out for the devil! Whoa! - aargh!' [Laughter] 'And the devil is coming to...' [Laughter]

about the devil watch out for the devil world and the devil is coming today what

'What about God?' 'Oh Him, ah yeah, we're coming to Him...'

about God or him yeah yeah we are coming

[Laughter] So in the same way, in our self we talk about our problems,

to him so in the same way in our self we

and the more you talk about these things,

talk about our problems and the more you talk about these things the more it

the more it seem that they are real, like that.

seemed that they are real with it so

So I've shown you now, That which is,

I've shown you now that which is and you

and you must make your place with That

must make your place with that and be

and be anchored in That.

anchored in that don't worry about a

Don't worry about a thousand enemies are coming, don't worry;

thousand enemies are coming don't worry

you have the greatest support.

you have the greatest support so you

So you stay with that. This is your training. Through the 'I AM' the Absolute can have a taste

stay with that this is your training

of diversity and experience. How are you going to find what does not come and go?

is flowing toward the sea II bear me

You must go beyond you.

be some hesitate

This is perhaps the greatest non-step step you have to take. A video extract from the Satsang DVD 'God is My Secretary Now - Talk to God'

Zmar Silent Retreat, Portugal 14th May 2013, Session 2 www.mooji.org

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