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インタビュアー：客観的にみて

INTERVIEWER: Is there such a thing

曲に良し悪しがありますか？

as an objectively good or bad song?

この質問どこから来たの？

Where do you come up with these questions?

客観的に曲に良し悪しがあるとは思わない

I don't think there's an objectively good or bad song.

僕に尋ねたらすぐにわかるよ

I mean, if you ask me, I know right away.

[音楽- SPOON "RENT I PAY"]

[MUSIC - SPOON, "RENT I PAY"]

でも世の中のすべての人を納得させる？

But am I going to convince everybody in the universe,

それを数量化したり科学公式で書き出したりする

or is there a way of quantifying it or writing out

方法があるのか？無いよね

a scientific formula, I don't think so.

本当に良い曲を

There's some kind of magic, some kind

思いつくための魔法やひらめきみたいなものがある

of spark that you need to come up with a really good song.

[ギター演奏]

[GUITAR PLAYING]

(歌) 眠れないんだうとうとするだけ

(SINGING) I've been losing sleep, just noddin', sleep

眠ってるって分かったらいいのにね

that I wish that I loath.

バック・マスキング・テープをすべて無くした求めただけの安らぎ

And I lost all my tape of back masking peace just for asking,

負うべき安らぎ

peace that I ought to be owed.

そしてそれは支払う家賃ブラザーが言いそうなこと

And that's the rent I pay, just like my brother would say.

星と石の中であらゆるフォーチュンが

Out amongst the stars and the stones, every kind of fortune

古びていく

忘れた歌詞だって思い出せるだろうこんな感じでね

Every kind of line is going to come back to me just as I go.

そしてそれは支払う家賃ブラザーが言いそうなこと

And that's the rent I pay, like my brother say it.

そしてそれは支払う家賃

That's the rent I pay.

支払う家賃ブラザーが言いそうなこと

Rent I pay, like my brother say it.

それは支払う家賃

That's the rent I pay.

眠れないんだうとうとするだけ

I've been losing sleep, and I'm noddin', sleep that I'm wishing

眠ってるって分かったらいいのにね

バック・マスキング・テープをすべて無くした

And I lost all my tape of back masking.

求めただけの安らぎ

Peace just for asking.

負うべき安らぎ

Peace that I ought to be owed.

そしてそれは支払う家賃

And that's the rent I pay.

そうさそれは支払う家賃支払う家賃

Well, I said, that's the rent I pay, oh, the rent I pay.

ブラザーが言ったんだそれは支払う家賃

My brother said that's the rent I pay.

誰もが君がどこに行くか知っている

Everybody knows just where you can go

誰もが君がずっと見せてる顔を知っている

and everybody knows faces you've been showing.

それが君の答えなら僕は君のダンサーじゃない

And if that's your answer, no, I ain't your dancer.

それが君の答えなら僕は君のダンサーじゃない

And if that's your answer, no, I ain't your dancer.

”Rent I Pay”は ”They Want My Soul”の中の曲

Rent I Pay, it's a song from They Want My Soul.

そのレコードの一曲目

It's the first song on that record.

デイヴ・フリードマンの

It's got the sound of Dave Friedman

サウンドが満載でプロデューサーは

all over it, the producer we were working

その時初めて一緒にやった人

with for the first time then.

僕らのベストロックソングの中の一曲だね

It's one of our best rock songs.

完全に圧倒されるサウンドでお気に入りなんだ

It sounds totally blown out, and I love it.

そのレコードにはジョーン・ジェットの

I wanted to come up with a song for that record that was--

”I Love Rock and Roll”と

something with the same tempo as I

同じテンポの曲を書きたかったんだ

Love Rock and Roll by Joan Jett.

そのレコード作成の終わりに近づいて来て

And as we were getting towards the end of this--

曲の枠があと２つくらいあったんだけど

of making the record, I we had two more slots or so open,

まだ曲を思いつかなかった

and still hadn't come up with that song.

そしてずっと以前の

And I found this old waltz that we'd

”Rent I Pay” というレコードの冒頭でやった

worked on way back at the beginning of the record called

3/4のこの古いワルツを見つけたんだ

Rent I Pay that was like 3:4.

[HUMMING ON BEAT]

そして 4/4に変える方法を見つけたんだ

And I found a way to change it to a 4:4.

約100BPMでやってつまりその曲では

It worked at about 100 BPM, where that song is.

上手くいった

And somehow it worked.

15歳でギターを始めた

I didn't start playing guitar until I was 15.

もっと早くから始めてたらと思うよ

I wish I had started a lot earlier.

最初にピアノを少しやった

The first thing I played was a little bit of piano.

それから 13歳くらいの時にベースギターを手に入れた

And then I got a bass guitar when I was maybe 13.

でもそれでは曲を書けないことがすぐにわかった

But I quickly figured out I couldn't really write on that.

曲を書きたかった

And I wanted to write, you know?

だから次にエレキギターを手に入れた

So the next thing I did was get an electric guitar.

大抵僕がやるのは

Well, a lot of what I do is just--

リズミカルなもの

その多くは曲を書いているときに

So a lot of that just happens just when

ただ偶然に起きるんだ歌いたいリズムが見かる

I'm writing the song, finding some rhythm to sing to.

リズムやストラミングはその一部で

The rhythm, the strumming, was part of that,

コードとグルーブみたいなものを思いつく

you know, coming up with the chords and the sort of groove.

後からビートはどんな感じか考え始める

Later on I'd start thinking about what the beat would be.

良い曲を書く方法を見つけるのに長い時間がかかったけど

It took me a long time to figure out how to write a good song,

いまだにすべてをやる方法を学んでいる

and I'm still learning how to do the whole thing.

[音楽 - SPOON "DON'T YOU EVAH"]

[MUSIC - SPOON, "DON'T YOU EVAH"]

(歌) きっとすべて上手く計画したんだろう

(SINGING) Bet you got it all planned right.

不安になったことも無ければ恐れを感じたことすら無いだろう

I bet you never worry, never even feel the fright.

きっとすべて上手く計画したんだろう

Bet you got it all planned right.

不安になったことも無く恐れを感じたことすら無いだろう

Never think to worry, never even feel a fright.

独り寝だって君は構わないと僕は知ってる

Single sleeps along and I know you don't really mind.

５年間そばにいたから君は構わないと僕は知ってる

Five years by your side so I know you really don't mind.

落ち込む事なんか無い

Don't you ever be down.

絶対にだぞ

I said don't ever cause it's going

ずっと考えてしまうから

to keep on hanging around.

落ち込む事なんか無い

I said don't ever cause it's going

ずっと考えてしまうから

to keep on hanging around.

絶対に悲しむな

Don't you ever, ever feel sad.

君はそうしなきゃと思うだろうでもそれは何か違う

Bet you think you have to but it doesn't feel right.

それが正しいと思うことは無いだろう

Don't you ever think it feels right?

よく聞く言葉が頭を軽くしてくれるさ

Famous sounding words make your head feel light.

花占いが始まる愛してる

Pedals getting picked with the love-yous

愛してない

and the love-you-nots.

5年が経って誰もが彼らの側にいる

Five years going by, I don't want to stand on the side.

落ち込む事なんか無い

Don't you ever be down.

I said don't ever cause it's going

ずっと考えてしまうから

to keep on hanging around.

落ち込む事なんか無い

Don't ever be down.

I said don't ever, cause it's going

彼のことをずっと考えてしまうから

to keep him hanging around.

落ち込む事なんか無い

Don't ever be down.

I said don't ever cause it's going

彼のことをずっと考えてしまうから

to keep him hanging around.

それが正しいと思うことは無いだろう

Don't you ever think it feels right?

絶対に彼のことをずっと考えてしまうから

Don't ever cause it's going to keep him hanging around.

”Don't You Evah” は The Natural Historyの曲なんだ

Don't You Evah, it's a song by The Natural History, this band

2000年代に一緒にツアーをやったバンドで

we toured with in the 2000s.

彼らとすごく仲良くなった

And I became pretty good friends with those guys.

シンガーのマックスと僕は同時にアルバムを作ろうとしてた

The singer, Max, and I were both trying

もちろん別々の２つのアルバム

to write an album at the same time, two different albums,

でも彼はニューヨークでアルバムを作っていて

But he was working on an album in New York.

僕はオースティンで作ってた

I was working on one in Austin.

そして曲のアイデアを出す時が来ても

And when it's that time to come up with songs

まだ全部終ってなかったらそれは...

and you don't have them all yet, then it can be--

それはプロセスだよね？

it's a process, right?

それを気の毒に思って

So we would commiserate over that.

お互いに曲を送り合ったんだ

We would send each other songs.

そして僕は彼に曲を送った

And I sent him a song.

彼は僕に何曲か送った

He sent me a few songs.

そしてその中の一曲が ”Don't You Evah”

And one of the ones he sent me was Don't You Evah.

彼のは”Don't You Ever”だったけどね

He called it Don't You Ever.

そして僕がそれにパーカッションのアイデアをいくつか書いた

And I put down a couple of percussion ideas

ギターのアイデアも書いたと思う

for it, maybe put down a guitar idea for it.

そしてそれは１週間くらい僕の世界で一番のお気に入りの曲だった

And it was my favorite song in the world for about a week,

どんな感じかわかるよね？

you know how that happens, right?

そしてその曲を家の中で歩き回りながら歌ったり

And I just went around the house singing it and playing it

車の中でプレイしたりしてた

でも発表されなかった

But it never came out.

２年後僕らは次のレコード

Two years later, we were working on our next record, Ga Ga Ga Ga

”Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga”に取り組んでいてまた曲を探していた

Ga, and we were looking for-- again, we're looking for songs.

そして僕はいい曲を知ってると言ったんだ

And I said, I know this one tune.

凄くいい曲で

It's a great-- it's a great song.

ヒットするに違いない

I bet it's kind of a hit, you know?

The Natural Historyの曲なんだけどまだ発表されてない

And it never came out, the song by The Natural History.

この曲を試してみよう

Maybe we should just try that one.

それで聞いたんだ「ねえマックス

You know, I said, hey, Max, if you're not

この曲を出さないんだったら

going to put this out, can I--

僕が出していい？」って

can I put it on our record?

彼は構わないと言った

You know, he was fine with it.

彼がこの曲を出さなかったのには何か理由があるんだけど

He was all about snagging this one song that I knew was--

誰もまだその理由を聞いた事がないんだ

I knew there was something there and nobody had heard it yet.

ライブでプレイすることはやったことに対して

Playing live is-- it's the most sort of immediate payback

即座に得られる報酬

you get for what I do.

レコードは永遠に残るドキュメント

You know, the records are a document that lasts forever.

それが常に僕の本の中での見方

That's always been the way I looked at it in my book,

レコードは僕にとって大きな意味を持つものだから

because records mean so much to me.

しかしトップたちが良いギグをやれるということに

But there's nothing that tops being able to just go do

勝るものは無いそしてみなぎるような

a good gig, and that sort of charge

その瞬間にそこにいるというその電気的な感覚

and that electric feeling of being there in the moment.

それ以上のものは無いよ

That's untoppable.

[音楽 - SPOON "SMALL STAKES"]

[MUSIC - SPOON, "SMALL STAKES"]

(歌) 小さな賭けでブルースを味わえる

(SINGING) Small stakes give you the blues.

騙されたとか利用されたとか思わないで

You don't feel taken or think you've been used.

それでいいんだ週末だから

Cause it's alright Friday night to Sunday.

それでいいんだページを心に刻む

It feels alright, keeps your mind on the page.

小さな賭けで少なくともブルースを味わえる

Oh yeah, small stakes ensure you the minimum blues.

騙されたとか虐待されたとか感じないで

You don't feel taken and you don't feel abused.

小さな賭けはどうする事も出来ない事を教えてくれる

Small stakes tell you that there's nothing can do.

野心を抱く事も過去のいくつかに思いを馳せる事も出来ない

Can't think big, can't think past one or two.

僕と仲間は自分たちを安売りしてるけど気分は最高

Me and my friends sell ourselves short, but feel very well.

僕らの気分は最高

ああ気分は最高

I only feel fine.

中型車でもそれほど危険じゃ無いし

And small time danger in your midsize car.

Stripesにはハマらないけど Har Marにはハマる

I don't dig the stripes but I'll go for har mar.

最低賃金でも大きな革新を起こす

The big innovation on the minimum wage.

鼻先に用意されてるけど君の人生はそのページの中にあるから

Is lines up your nose but your life on the page, so c'mon.

間違ってると言ってくれ

Tell me I'm wrong.

ラインに戻って立ち往生しているなら小さな賭けは暇つぶし

Small stakes will kill time when you're stuck back on the line.

週末の気分は上々

It feels alright Friday night to Sunday.

気分は上々そのページに心を留める

Yeah, It feels alright keeps your mind on the page.

小さな賭けはマンネリの生活を作る

Small stakes bring you where you're caught in a rut.

苛立ちを感じすべてを試したいだけ

You feel so uptight, you just want to throw it all up.

小さな賭けは少なくともブルースを残す

Small stakes leave you with the minimum blues.

野心を抱く事も過去のいくつかに思いを馳せる事も出来ないだから

Can't think big, can't think past one or two so come on.

だからさあやろう

そうさやろう

カモンカモンカモンカモンカモンカモン

Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.

(話) ありがとう

(SPEAKING) Thanks.

”Small Stakes”は ”Kill The Moonlight”の中の曲で

Small Stakes is a song from Kill The Moonlight,

そのレコードのために書いた最後の１曲

one of the last songs I wrote for that record.

そしてキーボードで書いた曲なんだ

And it was a song that I wrote on keyboards.

昔たくさんの素晴らしい曲を

I wrote it, you know, sitting cross-legged on the floor

ワンルームの部屋の床にあぐらをかいて書いてたみたいに

in my studio apartment where I wrote a lot of great songs

その曲を書いた

back in the day.

そこに座って

I had this thing where, you know,

そのカシオのキーボードを

I would just sit there and just pound this Casio

できる限り強く叩いた

keyboard as hard as I could.

こんな感じのエクササイズになって

It became this sort of exercise--

筋肉の運動じゃないんだけど

not exercise from my muscles, but it was an exercise for,

なんだろう...

曲を作っているとは思わなかった

I didn't think of it as songwriting.

もっと何かが降りてきそうな感じ

It was more like I'm going to come up with something.

自分に何かを絞り出すように仕向けようと

I'm going to force myself to come up with something,

わかるかな？

この種のテンションは歌の雰囲気に

That kind of tension fed into the feel of the song

かなり取り込まれた

伝えるのにいつもプレッシャーを感じた

I've always felt the pressure to deliver.

つまり僕が感じるのは...

I mean, I feel like the--

やらなければならない事

that's what you've got to do.

レコードを出すのなら毎回自分自身の力を

If you're going to be putting out records, you need to be--

示す必要がある

you've got to prove yourself every time.

前回のレコードと同じくらい良く

You're only as good as the last record.

常に進化し続ける

You've got to constantly be evolving.

絶えず自分自身をプッシュする必要があるそうじゃなかったら

You gotta be constantly pushing yourself, or else

何のためにやってるんだ？

what are you doing this for?

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