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Monte Sahaja Retreat 22 Jul 2012 - S3

Monte Sahaja- umik 22. julij 2012

[Mooji] It really is easier to discover the Self,

(Mooji) Res je enostavneje odkriti Jaz

than to sort out these problems.

kot rešiti te probleme.

Sexual Expression in Relationship (with subtitles)

Izražanje spolnosti v razmerjih (s podnapisi)

[Questioner] It is a similar kind of situation to the previous lady,

(Spraševalka) Okoliščine so podobne kot pri predhodnici,

but it is the other way round.

toda zaokroženo je na drugačen način.

It is kind of, I have a beautiful relationship, on so many levels.

Gre za to, da imam čudovit odnos, na mnogih nivojih.

[Mooji] On so? [Q.] On so many levels.

(Mooji) Na tako? (S.) Na mnogih nivojih.

[Mooji] Yes, yes. [Q.] On all levels really.

(Mooji) Da, da. (S.) V resnici, na vseh nivojih.

[Q.] But he is not so interested, sexually.

(S.) Toda on seksualno ni tako zainteresiran.

I am just curious, because,

Sem le radovedna, ker

I guess ... We have been together for about five years.

Mislim... Skupaj sva okrog pet let.

There is such intimacy, such meeting, such depth,

Obstaja takšna intimnost, takšno srečanje, takšna globina,

but it is almost ...

toda je skoraj....

I wonder whether I am suppressing anything now.

Sprašujem se, če zdaj kaj potiskam.

there are long periods when we don't make love,

obstajajo dolga obdobja ko se ne ljubiva

and it feels like nothing is missing, on one level,

zgleda, kot da na nekem nivoju nič ne manjka,

and yet, still, there is this kind of question inside of me,

in vendar je v meni neka vrsta vprašanja,

'Am I pushing something away? Am I ...'

'Ali nekaj odrivam? Ali...'

Because I feel less and less need to gratify,

Ker vse manj čutim potrebo po tem, da bi se zadovoljevala,

you know, in that way,

veš, na tak način,

the deeper I move inside,

globlje ko se pomaknem vase,

which seems natural.

kar zgleda naravno.

And I guess my question is, 'Is that something that is common?'

In mislim, da je moje vprašanje 'Je to nekaj običajnega?'

[Mooji] Yes, I feel it to be like that.

(Mooji) Da, čutim, da je tako.

A lot of our sexual expression

Veliko našega seksualnega izražanja

has a lot to do with identity also.

ima veliko opraviti tudi z identiteto.

Sometimes we are trying to use sexuality for other reasons,

Včasih poskušamo seksualnost uporabiti za druge namene,

other than as a pure expression of love.

kot je čisto izražanje ljubezni.

We use it also to compete,

Uporabljamo jo tudi za tekmovanje,

and to be special, or so many different things.

in da smo nekaj posebnega ali še toliko drugega.

We can go on about it,

S tem lahko nadaljujemo,

but I feel, as your own spirituality deepens ...

toda čutim, ko se tvoja duhovnost poglablja...

I don't know what your partner's inner life is like.

Ne vem kako zgleda notranje življenje tvojega partnerja.

[Q.] He was clear on who he is before we were together.

(S.) Njemu je bilo jasno kdo je še preden sva prišla skupaj.

But if your own fire is softening, cooling off,

Toda če se tvoj ogenj mehča, hladi,

and you are discovering also that deeper joy within your own self,

in odkrivaš tudi to globljo radost v tvojem lastnem Jaz-u,

and, as you said, the need is becoming less,

in, kot si rekla, potreba postaja manjša,

and then something wonders, 'Is this right, should it be like this?

in potem se nekaj sprašuje 'Je to prav, naj bi bilo tako?'

Or is it that I am suppressing something

Ali to pomeni, da nekaj potiskam,

in order just to be more on an equal level with him,

da bi bila bolj na enakem nivoju z njim,

so we feel more compatible, at least?'

da se bova čutila vsaj bolj kompatibilna?'

Perhaps. I cannot say.

Mogoče. Ne morem reči.

What I would say is that, as your own inner seeing becomes more mature,

Kar bi rekel je, da ko tvoje notranje videnje zori,

there is a levelling out of all that, a kind of inner graphic-equalizer;

prihaja do ravnovesja, neke vrste notranjega grafičnega balansiranja;

it somehow equalises out the energies

to nekako balansira energije

and things are running quite smoothly.

in stvari tečejo precej gladko.

There is a compatibility that gets heightened,

Obstaja kompatibilnost, ki narašča,

through your own spiritual maturing, also.

tudi zaradi tvojega lastnega duhovnega zorenja.

For some people, if you have a different mentality or different teaching

Za nekatere ljudi, če imaš drugačno mentaliteto ali učenje,

if you are deeply into tantra yoga or whatever,

če si globoko v tantra jogi ali karkoli,

you may have a different outlook on that.

lahko imata različen pogled na to.

But you are speaking about a love that you,

Toda ti govoriš o ljubezni,

a relationship you have that is deeply full of love,

o razmerju, ki ga imaš in je globoko izpolnjen z ljubeznijo

and flowing, you say, on nearly all levels.

in teče, praviš, na skoraj vseh nivojih.

Except, you find that there is a kind of incompatibility,

Razen, če smatraš, da obstaja neka vrsta nekompatibilnosti,

in terms of your energetic sexual expression.

v smislu tvojega energetskega seksualnega izraza.

Would you say like that?

[Q.] It is difficult to kind of put it into a box really,

(S.) Težko je to nekako spraviti v škatlo,

because when we do make love, it is beautiful, it is deep,

ker kadar se ljubiva je čudovito, je globoko,

and it is like it is not just the bodies, it is more than that.

ni kot da sta le telesi, je več kot to.

the opportunity or the time,

priložnost ali čas,

we just don't seem to make it happen.

enostavno se ne zgodi.

[Mooji] Yes. [Q.] And should I? Should we?

(Mooji) Da. (S.) Ali naj bi ? Naj bi midva?

[Mooji] No. [Q.] No? OK.

(Mooji) Ne. (S.) Ne? V redu.

[Mooji] Let it be. Be comfortable with that as much as possible.

(Mooji) Pusti naj bo. Sprejmi to kolikor je le mogoče.

[Mooji] Because if he had

(Mooji) Ker če bi on imel

[Mooji] a more dynamic expression this way, it would happen easily.

bolj dinamičen izraz na ta način, bi se zgodilo z lahkoto.

[Mooji] I don't think it is good to start feeling something is really wrong,

Mislim da ni dobro začeti čutiti, da je nekaj res narobe,

[Mooji] unless, the energy is focusing too much on the relationship,

razen če se energija ne fokusira preveč na razmerje

[M.] and not sufficiently on your own Self-awareness.

in ne dovolj na tvoje lastno samozavedanje.

[M.] If you can be more in the space of the Self-awareness,

Če si lahko več v prostoru samozavedanja,

[M.] things will just work out somehow. I cannot tell you in what way,

se bodo stvari same razdelale. Ne morem povedati kako,

[M.] what'll have to move or change, but it'll be fine.

kaj se bo moralo premakniti ali spremeniti, toda bo dobro.

[Q.] It feels like that's happening already, because it used to be more of,

(S.) Zdi se, da se to že dogaja, ker navadno je bilo več,

not a fight, but I had so much energy, and he was just very cool with it.

ne boja - jaz sem imela toliko energije in on je bil hladen.

I mean, he is very ... in tune with his sexuality,

Mislim, on je zelo...uglašen s svojo seksualnostjo,

but the urge just wasn't there for him,

toda nuja pri njem ni bila prisotna

and it really caused a friction inside. But like I was saying,

in to je res povzročilo trenje v meni. Toda kot sem rekla,

the more I become quiet inside, the less I feel, maybe rejected,

bolj ko sem postala mirna v sebi, manj sem se čutila zavrnjeno,

the less I feel rejected.

manj se čutim zavrnjeno.

It doesn't really come into it, I know it is not about that.

Res ne pride do tega, vem da ne gre za to.

[Mooji] It looks like it is going OK. [laughter]

(Mooji) Zgleda, da gre dobro. (smeh)

I come back to this point that

Vračam se to točko, da

it isn't really that such focus goes here,

res ni treba, da toliko pozornosti usmerjaš v te stvari,

because what you are doing now in your own satsang, in this satsang now,

ker kar zdaj delaš v tvojem lastnem satsangu, v tem zdaj,

is just revealing a bit more

je enostavno, da odkrivaš malo bolj

what is under the surface of your usual satsang.

kaj je pod površjem tvojega običajnega satsanga.

Maybe we are not talking like this,

Morda ne govorimo tako,

but you start to see the operating forces and currents

toda ti začenjaš videti delujoče sile in tokove,

that are also still present.

ki so tudi še vedno prisotni.

If we start to shift the attention to family and the little things,

Če začnemo pozornost obračati k družini in malenkostim,

we can start to see that, the more energy is given to that,

lahko začnemo videti, da dajemo več energije temu,

the more, somehow,

kar je bolj, nekako,

you cannot be fully present in this. And yet, at the same time,

ne moreš biti tu popolnoma prisoten. In vendar, istočasno,

I am not saying to be very spiritual and forget about this.

ne pravim da bodi zelo duhoven in na to pozabi.

I am saying, your search,

Pravim, da tvoje iskanje,

if it is for true contentment and peace, and joy,

če je za resnično zadovoljstvo in mir in radost,

and to be free from the fears of life and death, and all of this ...

in da se osvobodiš strahov pred življenjem in smrtjo in vsega tega...

The highest aspiration for the human being,

Najvišja težnja za človeško bitje

is the search for liberation in this way,

je iskanje osvoboditve na tak način,

which encompasses all of this, embraces all of these expressions.

ki vključuje vse to, objema vse te izraze.

They are fine, sometimes more beautiful, even, rather than a denial.

So v redu, včasih celo lepši kot zanikanje.

Some things will fall away naturally, by themselves, just fall away.

Seveda bodo nekatere stvari odpadle, same od sebe kar odpadle.

And you trust that, because you see,

In ti temu zaupaš, ker vidiš,

'Wow, wait, without this, my life is much lighter'.

'Vau, počakaj, brez tega je moje življenje mnogo lažje'.

But I don't want to pick on any specific thing and say,

Toda nočem izbrati nobene specifične stvari in reči,

'OK, this must go and this is bad'. For each one, it's different.

'V redu, to mora oditi in to je slabo'. Za vsakogar je drugače.

You may find that you are not so much inclined to go out

Lahko ugotoviš, da ti ne pomeni toliko, da greš ven

and need to be with friends and socialise so much,

in moraš biti s prijatelji in se toliko družiti,

or you don't need to have someone with you all the time.

ali ti ni treba imeti ves čas nekoga ob sebi.

Something may change, and at first it may seem like,

Nekaj se spremeni in sprva lahko zgleda,

'Wow, this is a big loss', but if you check into your heart, you feel,

'Vau, to je velika izguba', toda če preveriš v srcu, čutiš,

'But I am totally fine with this'.

'Toda tako mi je čisto dobro'.

It really is easier to discover the Self

Res je lažje odkriti Jaz

than to sort out these problems.

kot rešiti vse te probleme.

Because they have so many little, 'Mmm, yes, but maybe ...'.

Kajti v njih je toliko malih, 'Mmmm, da, toda, mogoče...'

And you are so ... This is where we get stuck

In si tako ... Tukaj se zataknemo

in little crevices inside the being,

v majhnih razpokah znotraj bitja

and little, 'Yes, well...', and you are already in.

in malo, 'Da, dobro...' in si že notri.

All your tendrils are sticking to something.

Vse pajčevine so nekam zalepljene.

So, when we speak about the Self, how simple, how natural,

Tako, ko govorimo o Jaz-u, tako enostavno, tako naravno,

how free, how spacious.

tako svobodno, tako prostorno.

[Mooji] But again, in the energy and the psyche of the human expression,

(Mooji) Toda spet, v energiji in psihi človeškega izraza,

[Mooji] so many things are engaging,

je vpletenih toliko stvari,

so many things to work out, so many subtleties, so many 'goings-on'.

stvari je treba razdelati, toliko podnaslovov in dogajanj.

That is why I say, You have to be the cow that jumped over the moon.

Zato pravim, 'Biti morate kot krava, ki je skočila čez luno'.

Some people say, 'Well, a cow can't jump over the moon'.

Nekateri ljudje pravijo, 'No, krava ne more skočiti čez luno'.

I say, Well, it's not you. [laughter]

Jaz pravim, 'No, saj ta nisi ti.' (smeh)

You have to be the cow that jumped over the moon. Which means what?

Morate biti krava, ki je skočila čez luno. Kar pomeni kaj?

You have to do what, from the human perspective, can seem impossible,

Narediti morate nekaj kar s človeške perspektive lahko zgleda nemogoče

and yet, it is what you are,

in vendar je to tisto kar si,

to recognise what you are.

da prepoznamo kar pravzaprav si.

But the costume of personality

Toda kostum osebnosti

is a very powerful costume,

je zelo močan kostum,

because it comes with the thinking mind,

ker prihaja z razmišljajočim umom,

identity and all of this.

identiteto in vsem tem.

How to undress one's self

Kako sleči Jaz

from the stickiness, not merely from the costume?

iz lepljivosti, ne le kostuma?

The costume may continue, but more playfully, more lightly.

Kostum lahko ostane, vendar bolj igrivo, bolj lahkotno.

But the attachments to it,

Toda navezanosti nanj,

the sense of need, the intensity of identity ...

občutek potrebe, intenzivnost identitete...

[Q.] I think, maybe the force that drove me up here was more about

(S.) Mislim, morda je bila sila, ki me je prignala sem,

bolj povezana z zaupanjem.

[Mooji] If there is a trust that doesn't have

(Mooji) Če je prisotno zaupanje, to nima

an image to it,

just a trust that all things will show themselves to work in harmony,

le zaupanje, da se bo vse pokazalo na harmoničen način,

if I stop interfering, or desiring them to be

če se neham vmešavati ali želeti, da bi bilo

other than the way that they wish to go by life's flow,

drugače kot je namenjeno, da gredo s tokom življenja,

that, I would call trust.

temu bi rekel zaupanje.

But if you are trusting that,

Toda če v to zaupate,

'Well, if I stay like this, then things will work out like that',

'No, če ostanem tako, potem bodo stvari delovale tako',

then, don't hold your breath about it.

potem tega ne pričakuj.

It is kind of like trusting and waiting to see how things work,

To je neka vrsta zaupanja in čakanja, da vidimo kako stvari delujejo,

there is an anxiety in that. But trust must completely disarm you

v tem je tesnoba. Toda zaupanje te mora čisto razorožiti

and leave you in a state of surrender,

in te pustiti v stanju predaje,

which is not different from contentment.

ki se ne razlikuje od zadovoljstva.

Something just says, 'OK, it will be like this'.

Nekaj enostavno reče, 'V redu, tako bo'.

To rest in that space of neutrality,

Počivati v tem prostoru nevtralnosti,

that's not unfeeling, it is open.

to ni brezčutnost, je odprto.

[Q.] I think what I meant,

(S.) Mislim, da kar sem želela,

I really hear what you are saying,

res slišim kar praviš,

because this issue with my partner, it doesn't feel like a big thing,

ker ta problem z mojim partnerjem ne zgleda velik,

but it feels, generally, this quality of trust,

toda, občuti se, na splošno, to kvaliteto zaupanja.

I feel that is what this retreat is about for me, in a way.

Čutim, da je ta umik zame za to, na nek način.

As your own inner seeing becomes more mature,

Ko postane tvoje notranje videnje bolj zrelo,

there is a leveling out - a kind of inner graphic equalizer;

potem se zjasni neka vrsta notranjega grafičnega balanserja;

it somehow equalizes out all the energies. Let it be. (Mooji)

ta nekako balansira vse energije. Naj bo tako. (Mooji)

Your search, if it is for true contentment, and peace, and joy,

Če iščeš resnično zadovoljstvo in mir in radost,

and to be free of life and death and all of this;

in osvoboditev od življenja in smrti in vsega tega,

the highest aspiration of the human being is this search for liberation -

je najvišje hrepenenje človeškega bitja to iskanje osvoboditve,

which embraces all of these expressions. (Mooji)

ki zajema vse te izraze. (Mooji)

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