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At The Synagogue Church Of All Nations, At the Synagogue Church of All Nations,

בכנסיית 'בית הכנסת' של כל האומות,

Prophet TB Joshua leads the congregation in mass prayer. Prophet TB Joshua leads the congregation in mass prayer

הנביא טי.בי.ג'ושוע מוביל את הקהילה בתפילה המונית

And the power of God immediately comes on the scene and the power of God immediately comes on the scene

וכוחו של אלוהים מיד מגיע לזירה

and uproots whatever that is not of God in their lives. and uproots whatever that is not of God in their lives.

לעקור כל מה שאינו של אלוהים בחייהם.

He begins to prophesy and exposes the hand He begins to prophesy and exposes the hand of the devil in the lives of the people.

הוא מתחיל לנבא ולחשוף את היד

of the devil in the lives of the people. Let's listen to him. Let's listen to him.

של השטן בחיי האנשים. בואו נקשיב לו.

There is a brother - you have tattoo everywhere; I think I touched you. There is a brother, you have tatoo everywhere; I think I touched you.

יש שם אח, יש לך קעקועים בכל הגוף; אני חושב שנגעתי בך.

With your tattoo, here. With your tattoo, here.

עם הקעקוע שלך, כאן.

You're a criminal - wearing dark, dark. You're a criminal, you are wearing dark, dark.

אתה פושע, אתה לובש שחור,שחור.

That spirit is tormenting you, disturbing you, okay? That spirit is tormenting you, disturbing you. TESTIMONY TIME

הרוח הזאת מענה אותך, מטרידה אותך, או.קיי?

זמן עדות

Good morning, church! Good Morning, Church!

בוקר טוב, כנסייה!

Glory be to God. Glory be to God.

השבח לאל.

My name is Tebogo. I'm from South Africa. My name is Tebogo. I'm from South Africa.

שמי טבוגו. אני מדרום אפריקה.

I am 37 old. I am 37 years old.

אני בן 37.

I am a firstborn from the three boys that have been given birth to this I am the firstborn from the three boys that have been given birth to

אני הבכור מבין שלושה בנים שנולדו

by this wonderful woman here right beside me. wonderful woman here right beside me.

מהאשה הנפלאה כאן ממש לידי.

This is my mum. This is my mum.

זאת אמא שלי.

Tebogo & Mother - Prophecy Testimony Tebogo & Mother Prophecy Testimony

טבוגו ואמא - עדות נבואה

Yes, I'm thankful to be here, all glory be to God. Yes, I'm thankful to be here, all glory be to God.

כן, אני אסיר תודה להיות כאן, כבוד לאלוהים.

Last weekend Prophet TB Joshua actually prophesied and called me Last weekend, Prophet TB Joshua actually prophesied and called me out from amongst the crowd.

בסוף השבוע האחרון הנביא טי.בי.ג'ושוע למעשה התנבא וקרא לי לצאת,

from the crowd.

מתוך הקהל.

I was actually sitting right at the back I was actually sitting right at the back

אני ממש ישבתי ממש מאחור

and I didn't want to sit in the front. and I didn't want to sit in the front.

ולא רציתי לשבת בחזית.

But he actually called me and he told me that, this is something But he actually called me and he told me that, this is something

אבל הוא למעשה קרא לי ומסר לי את דְּבַר הנבואה,

I never told nobody and I think nobody knew about that. I never told nobody and I think nobody knew about that.

זה משהו שמעולם לא סיפרתי לאף אחד ואני לא חושב שמישהו ידע על זה.

But he just called me and told me that I used to live a life of a crime, But he just called me and told me that I used to live a life of a crime,

אבל הוא פשוט קרא לי ואמר שאני נהגתי לחיות חיים של פשע,

and that this spirit is actually tormenting me and that this spirit is actually tormenting me

שהרוח הזאת מענה אותי

and it's going to disturb me and give me trouble. and it's going to disturb me and give me trouble.

וזה מטריד אותי ומסבך אותי בצרות.

That's when I came out. Yes, indeed it is true. That's when I came out. Yes, indeed it is true.

ואז יצאתי לחזית. אכן,זה אמת.

Though some of the things that I'm going to say, Though some of the things that I'm going to say,

חלק מהדברים שאני אספר,

this is the first time that I will be telling the truth. this is the first time that I will be telling the truth.

זו תהיה הפעם הראשונה שאני מספר את האמת.

Even my mum I never told her the truth. Even my mum I never told her the truth.

אפילו לאמא שלי מעולם לא סיפרתי לה את האמת.

This is the first time that she'll be hearing me saying this, This is the first time that she'll be hearing me saying this,

זאת תהיה הפעם הראשונה שהיא תשמע אותי מספר את זה,

live on camera. live on camera.

כאן בשידור חי מול המצלמות

It actually started around 1996. It actually started when it was around 1996.

זה התחיל למעשה סביב שנת 1996,

I was in my high school year. I was in my high school year.

הייתי בשנה התיכונית שלי.

Raised as a boy with good values, Raised as a boy with good values,

התחנכתי כילד עם ערכים טובים,

being in high school, getting straight A's from school... being in high school, getting straight A's from school...

לומד בבית הספר התיכון, מקבל עשיריות מבית הספר ...

By then I was a good boy in the house, doing all chores, By then I was a good boy in the house doing all chores,

עד אז הייתי ילד טוב משתתף בכל עבודות והמטלות של הבית,

being good in the house.

ילד טוב בבית.

being good in the house. But every time I went to the street, everything changed though - But every time I went to the street, everything changed though -

אבל בכל פעם שיצאתי לרחוב, הכל השתנה -

I had to be like a crook in the neighborhood I had to be like a crook in the neighborhood

הייתי צריך להתנהג כנוכל בשכונה

due to being growing under the older guys due to growing up under the older guys.

בשל היותי גדל תחת החבר'ה המבוגרים יותר

that used to stay next to a park. We used to stay next to a park.

שנהגו לשהות בסמוך לפארק.

So they used to sell drugs and have cars. So they used to sell drugs and have cars.

אז הם היו נוהגים לסחור סמים והיו להם רכבים.

So they taught us how to car wash, They taught us how to wash cars,

אז הם לימדו אותנו איך לשוטף את המכוניות,

and how to open a car without a key and things like that. and how to open a car without a key and things like that.

ואיך לפתוח מכונית בלי מפתח ודברים כאלה.

So we sold weed and drugs in that mini park. So we sold weed and drugs for them in that park.

אז מכרנו חֲשִׁישׁ וסמים בפארק הקטן הזה.

So that's how I got introduced to the street life. So that's how I got introduced to street life.

אז ככה הגעתי לחיי הרחוב.

At what age were you when you actually began So at what age were you when you actually began

אז באיזה גיל היית כשהתחלת ממש

the issue of selling drugs and meeting with these older gang members? the issue of selling drugs and meeting with these older gang members?

לעסוק בסחר סמים ולהיפגש עם חברי הכנופיה הבוגרים?

At what age were you? At what age were you?

באיזה גיל היית?

I was still young, it was my early years of studying in high school. I was still young, it was my early years of studying in high school.

הייתי עדיין צעיר, זה היה בתחילת לימודי בתיכון.

I think I was 16 - 17 years old. I think I was 16 - 17 years old.

אני חושב שהייתי בן 16 - 17.

We actually started just looking at them, We actually started just looking at them,

אנחנו התחלנו בעצם מהסתכלות עליהם,

doing what they do, like having guns out there, doing what they do, like having guns out there,

עושים מה שהם עושים,היו שם אקדחים,

washing cars and doing all these things. washing cars and doing all these things.

שטיפת מכוניות ועושים את כל הדברים האלה.

So they taught us how to -

אז הם לימדו אותנו לעשות דברים -

So they taught us how to - like I said - open a door of a car without having the keys, like I said - open a door of a car without having the keys,

כמו שאמרתי - לפתוח דלת של מכונית בלי מפתח,

and knowing which cables you can can start a car without using a key. and knowing with which cables you can start a car without using a key.

ולדעת להשתמש בכבל כדי להתניע רכב בלי מפתח.

And we used to sell drugs by the parks that we used to be playing games. We used to sell drugs by the parks where we used to be playing games.

ואנחנו נהגנו לסחור סמים בקרבת הפארק במקום שבו שחקנו.

By the park we used to do recreational things. By the park we used to do recreational things.

בפארק נהגנו לעשות דברים של בילוי.

We used to play, tumbling and all that, We used to play, tumbling and all that,

היינו משחקים, מתגלגלים וכל זה,

but then we would be around the park and selling drugs for them. but then we would be around the park and selling drugs for them.

אבל אז היינו סביב הפארק ונמכור עבורם סמים.

Me having that and my mum not knowing what I was doing - My mum wouldn't know what I was doing -

לי היה את העיסוק הזה ואמא שלי לא ידעה מה אני עושה -

I would go back and I would be a good boy in the house I would go back and I would be a good boy in the house

וכאשר חזרתי הביתה הייתי שוב ילד טוב.

but every time I went outside in the street, but every time I went outside on the street,

אבל בכל פעם שיצאתי לרחוב,

those are the things I had to do - those are the things I had to do -

אלה הדברים שהייתי צריך לעשות -

doing the material and vanity... doing the material and vanity...

שימוש בחומר וכל ההבל ...

As a youth, those are the things that were actually exciting being a group. As a youth, those are the things that were actually exciting me as a group.

כצעיר, אלה הדברים שהיו מרגשים אותי באמת כקבוצה.

So I was a junior member of a gang, as you would like to say. So I was a junior member of a gang, as you would like to say.

אז הייתי חבר כנופיה ג'וניור, כפי שאתה רוצה לומר.

That's when we started being in the park, we started robbing people with knives. That's when we started being in the park, we started robbing people with knives.

אז התחלנו להיות בפארק, התחלנו לשדוד אנשים עם סכינים.

But at first I was young, we would drop like vulnerable people, But at first I was young, we would drop like vulnerable people,

אבל בהתחלה הייתי צעיר, היינו מתנפלים על אנשים פגיעים,

like people who are drunk or people who are a couple which is chilling at the park. like people who are drunk or people who are a couple which is chilling

כמו אנשים שיכורים או אנשים שהם זוגות שבאו להתאוורר

at a park. We just robbed them their belongings like that. We just robbed them their belongings like that.

בפארק. פשוט שדדנו את החפצים שלהם ככה.

And then it went to like graduating, having a gun. And then it went to be like graduating like having a gun,

ואז זה הלך והתקדם לשלב שהחזקנו אקדח.

of which a gun is something that I... The first encounter with a gun The first encounter with a gun - it was my friends and I -

אשר אקדח הוא משהו שאני ... ההכרות הראשונית שלי עם אקדח

with me and my friends -

זה היה עם החברים שלי-

I think it was in 1997 or towards 1997 or so, I think it was in 1997 or towards 1997 or so,

אני חושב שזה היה בשנת 1997 או לקראת 1997 או כך,

I was still in high school with the best friend of mine I was still in high school with the best friend of mine

עדיין הייתי תלמיד תיכון עם החבר הכי טוב שלי

and we actually disarmed the gun from a friend of mine - and we actually disarmed the gun from a friend of mine -

אנחנו למעשה פרקנו את הנשק של החבר שלי-

the other friend of mine who came with his father's gun and he showed us the gun the other friend of mine who came with his father's gun and he showed us the gun.

מדובר בחבר אחר שלי שבא עם האקדח של אביו והוא הראה לנו את האקדח

But we took a gun from him. But we took the gun from him.

אבל לקחנו ממנו את האקדח.

But we had a fight - me and my friend again We had a fight - my friend and I again -

אבל היה לנו מאבק - אני והחבר שלי שוב

because we actually didn't know who was supposed to keep the gun. because we actually didn't know who was supposed to keep the gun.

כי בעצם לא ידענו מי אמור להחזיק את האקדח.

I wanted to keep it - he wanted to keep it too. I wanted to keep it - he wanted to keep it too.

אני רציתי לשמור את זה - הוא גם רצה לשמור את זה.

So we kept the gun between us - sometimes it would be in my house, So we kept the gun between us - sometimes it would be in my house,

אז שמרנו על הרובה שנינו- לפעמים זה יהיה בבית שלי,

sometimes it would be in his house. sometimes it would be in his house.

לפעמים זה יהיה בביתו.

And that's how we ended up like selling drugs, And that's how we ended up selling drugs,

וככה הגענו בסופו של דבר לסחור בסמים,

after selling drugs we started disarming other people after selling drugs, we started disarming other people

לאחר סחר בסמים התחלנו לפרק את נשקם,

who were selling drugs in our community who were selling drugs in our community

של אלה שסחרו סמים בקהילה שלנו

because we wanted actually to own the territory. because we wanted actually to own the territory.

כי רצינו להיות הבעלים של השטח.

So if we knew that you were selling drugs in our community, So if we knew that you were selling drugs in our community,

אז אם היינו יודעים שאתה סוחר סמים בקהילה שלנו,

then we would come through to you and rob you then we would come through to you and rob you

אז היינו באים אליך ושודדים אותך

with a gun - from knives to guns. with a gun - from knives to guns.

עם אקדח - מסכינים ועד רובים.

And then, having money for drugs and things like that And then, having money for drugs and things like that,

ואז, שיש כסף על סמים ודברים כאלה

we actually moved on to disarming other guys who had guns. we actually moved on to disarming other guys who had guns.

אנחנו למעשה עברנו לפרק את נשקם של בחורים אחרים שהיו להם אקדחים.

And that brought us some more of other gangs. And that brought us some more of other gangs.

וזה הביא לנו עוד כמה כנופיות אחרות.

By then I was still young, By then I was still young,

עד אז הייתי צעיר,

I was still being used because I didn't have fear. I was still being used because I didn't have fear.

עדיין השתמשו בי, כי לא היה לי פחד.

I wouldn't have fear, I didn't hesitate in doing things; I wouldn't have fear, I didn't hesitate in doing things;

לא היה לי פחד,לא הייתי מהסס שהייתי עושה דברים;

even if I was scared I didn't hesitate in doing things. even if I was scared, I didn't hesitate in doing things.

גם אם פחדתי לא היססתי לעשות דברים.

So I would disarm and have a gun So I would disarm and have a gun

אז הייתי פּוֹרֵק נשקים והיה לי אקדח

but my mum didn't know anything, she thought I was just a good boy. but my mum didn't know anything, she thought I was just a good boy.

אבל אמא שלי לא ידעה כלום, היא חשבה שאני רק ילד טוב.

She can tell you, I was just a good boy. She can tell you, I was just a good boy.

היא יכולה להגיד לכם, הייתי רק ילד טוב.

Everything was just sweet and stuff like that. Everything was just sweet and stuff like that.

הכל היה מתוק דברים כאלה.

Sometimes I would be in prison - in and out - Sometimes I would be in prison - in and out.

לפעמים הייתי בכלא- נכלא ומשתחרר-

I wouldn't even tell her. l could stay I wouldn't even tell her.

אפילו לא הייתי מספר לה. יכולתי להישאר

l would stay in prison for two or three days, but I didn't tell her. in prison for two or three days, but I didn't tell her.

בכלא יומיים או שלושה, אבל לא סיפרתי לה.

A couple of times - in and out, in and out and selling drugs. A couple of times - in and out, and selling drugs.

כמה פעמים - כליאה ושחרור, וסחר של סמים.

She would hear that I was selling drugs She would hear that I was selling drugs

היא היתה שומעת שאני סוחר סמים

but she heard that at the later stage. but she heard that at the later stage.

אבל בשלב מאוחר יותר היא הייתה שומעת.

That's when I was actually in the university. That was when I was actually at the university

שהייתי ממש באוניברסיטה.

Because I graduated from varsity as well because I graduated from the university as well.

אני גם בוגר אוניברסיטה .

and after graduating from varsity, After graduating from the university,

ולאחר סיום הלימודים,

that's when I was older and I started having a car. that's when I was older and I got a car.

כשהייתי מבוגר היה בבעלותי רכב.

And even when I bought a car, I told her: "Mama, I bought a car." Even when I brought a car to her, I told her, "Mama, I bought a car" -

אפילו כשקניתי מכונית, אמרתי לה: "אמא, קניתי מכונית".

But she didn't know that the car was stolen. she didn't know that the car was stolen.

אבל היא לא ידעה שהמכונית נגנבה.

But I told her that I bought a car, and she knew that I bought a car. But I told her that I bought a car, and she knew that I bought a car.

אבל אמרתי לה שקניתי מכונית, והיא ידעה שקניתי מכונית.

I would come to her, she would help me with money I would come to her, she would help me with money and things like that.

אני אבוא אליה, היא תעזור לי עם כסף

and things like that.

ודברים כמו זה.

I would go back and spend it the way I spent it. I would go back and spend it the way I spent it.

הייתי חוזר ומבזבז את הכסף כמו שנהגתי לבזבז.

Okay, so you said from the robbery using both knives and guns, Okay, so you said from the robbery using both knives and guns,

או.קיי, אז אמרת שנהגת לבצע שוד בשילוב של סכינים ורובים,

you now graduated also to stealing cars. you now graduated also to stealing cars.

עכשיו שאתה מנוסה יותר ברמת הגְּנֵיבוֹת כמו לגנוב מכוניות.

Can you explain how you would go about that? Can you explain how you would go about that?

אתה יכול להסביר איך היית מבצע את זה?

Well, stealing cars like it was with the guns and knives - Well, stealing cars - we would do it like with the guns and knives -

ובכן, גנבת מכוניות כמו שאמרתי,זה היה עם אקדחים וסכינים -

we would go for vulnerable people, we would go we would go for vulnerable people, we would go to places where people didn't know us.

מתנפלים על אנשים שהם פגיעים,נהגנו ללכת

for places where people don't know us.

למקומות שבהם אנשים לא מכירים אותנו.

For instance, we would go for a neighbourhood where they didn't even know us. For instance we would go for a neighborhood

למשל היינו הולכים לשכונה

where they didn't even know us.

שלא הכירו אותנו כלל.

We would just go there in the morning and we would go and rob - We would just go there in the morning and we would go and rob -

היינו פשוט הולכים לשם בבוקר היינו הולכים לשדוד -

maybe like a drunk guy in a pub maybe a drunk guy in a pub who was about to go to his car.

למשל כמו בחור שיכור בפאב

who is about to go to his car.

שעומד לנסוע במכוניתו.

So as he is going to his car, we just pop up and just take him So as he was going to his car, we would just pop up, take him,

אז כשהוא עושה את צעדיו לעבר מכוניתו, אנחנו פשוט צצים ופשוט לוקחים אותו

put him in the boot and tie him up. put him in a boat and go to him in a boat, tie him up.

שמים אותו בסירה קושרים אותו.

We take a car and just park it somewhere in a mall for the whole day We would take a car, just park it somewhere in a mall for the whole day

אנחנו לוקחים את המכונית ופשוט מחנים אותה באיזשהו מקום בקניון במשך כל היום

and just leave it there. We stand away and just leave it there; we would be standing a way off,

ופשוט עוזבים את המכונית שם. אנחנו עומדים הרחק

just looking at the car for the cops to come through. just looking at the car for the cops to come through.

רק מסתכלים על המכונית על מנת שהשוטרים יחלפו.

After one day or two days without cops, then we would know that it was not bad. After one day or two days without cops then we know that it is not bad.

אחרי יום או יומיים בלי שידעו על כך השוטרים ואז היינו יודעים שזה לא רע.

By then there were no these things of trackers By then there were no such things as trackers and things like that.

עד אז לא היה דברים כאלה שהם היו עוקבים

and things like that.

ודברים כמו זה.

So it was easy for us to get cars. So it was easy for us to get cars.

אז היה לנו קל להשיג מכוניות.

Our brother is giving this confession to confirm that word of prophecy Our brother is giving this confession to confirm that word of prophecy

אח שלנו נותן את הווידוי הזה לאשר את דְּבַר הנבואה

he received last week that he was involved in a life of crime. he received last week that he was involved in a life of crime.

שהוא קיבל בשבוע שעבר שהוא היה מעורב בחיי פשע.

And he's saying that what he is confessing right now And he's saying that what he is confessing right now,

והוא אומר כי מה שהוא מתוודה עכשיו

his mother is actually hearing it for the first time. his mother is actually hearing it for the first time.

אמו ממש שומעת את זה בפעם הראשונה.

Because when you went back to your house you would pretend, Because when you went back to your house, you would pretend,

כי כשחזרת אל הבית שלך היית מעמיד פנים,

you would be a good boy in the house involving yourself in various chores. you would be a good boy in the house, involving yourself in various chores.

אתה תהיה ילד טוב המשתתף במטלות של הבית.

But your mum would not be knowing that outside But your mum would not know that outside,

אבל אמא שלך לא ידעה למתרחש שם בחוץ,

you were living this very criminal lifestyle, is that right? you were living this very criminal lifestyle, is that right?

שאתה חי אורח חיים של פושע , נכון?

Yes, sir. My mum didn't know about the criminal lifestyle that I was living. Yes, sir. My mum didn't know about the criminal lifestyle that I was living.

כן,אדוני. אמא שלי לא ידעה על אורח החיים הפּוֹשֵׁעַ שאני חי.

I think it was after when things got really bad for me And I think it was after when things got really bad for me.

ואני חושב שזה היה אחרי שדברים הפכו להיות רעים מאוד בשבילי.

because at some time, I was in and out of prison Because at some time I was in and out of prison

מכיוון שהייתה תקופה מסוימת בהם נכלאתי ויצאתי וכך כמה פעמים

but there was a point when I was in prison

אבל הייתה נקודה שהייתי בכלא

but there was a point when I was in prison and I thought I had some previous things that I did and have been in prison. and I thought I had some previous things that I had done and I have been imprisoned.

וחשבתי שיש לי כמה דברים קודמים שעשיתי שבגינם נכלאתי.

So me being in prison this time - So being in prison this time, they would actually bring back my file

אז השהות שלי בכלא הפעם-

they would actually bring back my file and

הם יְעַיְּינוּ בתיק שלי ויחזרו את התיק

see that I had previous things that I did in my life, and see that I had previous things that I had done in my life,

ויראו שיש לי דברים קודמים שעשיתי בחיי,

so I had to go for a longer period at that time. so I had to go for a longer period at that time.

אז הייתי צריך לשהות תקופה ארוכה יותר בכלא באותה העת.

That's when I went to prison and being in prison That's when I went to prison and being in prison,

אז נכלאתי בכלא

I had to learn the ways of surviving, I had to learn the ways of surviving.

הייתי צריך ללמוד דרכים לשרוד,

I started having tattoos - I got my first tattoos when I was in prison, so I had to study ways of having tattoos,

אז הייתי צריך ללמוד דרכים כמו להיות מְקוּעְקָּע ,

my first tattoos was having it in prison.

הקעקועים הראשונים שלי היו בכלא.

having RAF3 tattoos, having it right at the bottom of my legs. Having RAF3 tattoos, having it right at the bottom of my legs.

לאחר קעקוע השם RAF3 בגוף (שם כנופיה), זה נמצא ממש בכפות רגלי.

And then I had to know how to survive there inside And then I had to know how to survive there inside,

ואז הייתי צריך ללמוד איך לשרוד שם בכלא

being a cleaner, having food and things like roll on, lotions, weed, cigarettes. being a cleaner, having food and things like roll-on, lotions, weed, cigarettes.

להיות מנקה, להשיג אוכל גליל, קרמים, חשיש, סיגריות.

So I had access to these things since I was in the passage being a cleaner. So I had access to these things since I was in the passage, being a cleaner.

אז הייתה לי גישה לדברים האלה מאז הייתי במעבר כמנקה.

So that's when I was introduced into doing tattoos. That's when I was introduced into doing tattoos.

זה היה כאשר התוודעתי לקעקועים.

But then, that love of tattoos came from the time when I studied from Fine Arts at school, But then, that love of tattoos came from the time when I studied fine arts at school.

אבל אז באה אהבת הקעקועים הזמן שבו למדתי באמנויות בבית הספר,

I used to do fine arts, conceptual study, History of art and things like that. I used to do fine arts, conceptual study, history of art and things like that.

נהגתי לעשות אמנויות יפות, מחקר קונספטואלי, היסטוריה של אמנות ודברים כאלה.

We just want you to explain that aspect We just want you to explain that aspect in prison very clearly.

אנחנו רק רוצים שתסביר את ההיבט הזה

in prison very clearly - you said, when you were in prison, you found a way of You said, when you were in prison, you found a way of getting things of surviving in prison.

של הכלא בצורה ברורה יותר - אמרת, בזמן שהיית בכלא, מצאת דרך

getting things of surviving in prison.

לקבל דברים על מנת לשרוד בכלא.

Can you tell us, was there a form of initiation Can you tell us, was there a form of initiation

האם תוכל לספר לנו, האם הייתה צורה של חניכה

into a certain gang whilst you were there in prison into a certain gang whilst you were there in prison

לתוך כנופיה מסוימת בזמן שהיית בכלא

or how did you find your way in prison to have such things? or how did you find your way in prison to have such things?

או איך מצאת את הדרך שלך לכלא שהיו לך את הדברים האלה?

Yeah, there are rules in prison. Yes, there are rules in prison.

כן, יש כללים בכלא.

There was a paper that they pasted at the back of the door when you went in. There was a paper that they pluck at the back of the door

היה שם נייר שהם הדבקו בחלק האחורי של הדלת

when you go in.

כאשר אתה נכנס.

It's like they don't force you to join the gang; It's like they don't force you to join the gang;

זה כאילו שהם לא מכריחים אותך להצטרף לכנופיה;

they don't force you to be a member of a gang. they don't force you to be a member of a gang.

הם לא מכריחים אותך להיות חבר של כנופיה.

But there are rules that if you have any complains, But there are rules that if you have any complaints,

אבל יש כללים שאם יש לך תלונות כלשהם,

if they come in the morning and come to you, if they come in a morning and come to you,

אם הם יבואו בבוקר ויבואו אליך,

if you have any complains, you can tell the waders if you have any complains, you can tell the warden

אם יש לך תלונות,תוכל לספר לסוהרים.

that these guys are troubling me or this guy did this. that this guy is troubling me or this guy did this.

כי החבר 'ה האלה מטרידים אותי או הבחור הזה עשה את זה.

But then I had ways to get things: I had sheets, I had roll-on and I had colgate. but then I had ways to get things, I had sheets, I had roll on

אבל אז היה לי גישה להשיג דברים, היו לי סדינים, דאודורנט לבית השחי

and I had Colgate.

והיה לי קולגייט.

These are the essentials, very important that you need in jail. These are the essentials - very important things that you need in jail.

אלה דברים חיוניים, חשובים שאתה צריך בכלא.

So if the new guys come in they would clean for us So if new guys came in, they would clean for us

אז אם חבר 'ה חדשים מגיעים הם היו מנקים עבורנו

and if they needed something, they would exchange for that. and if they need something out, they exchange for that.

ואם הם צריכים משהו, הם מחליפים בשביל זה.

And that's when I really saw that I needed my mum, That's when I really saw that I needed my mum,

ואז ממש ראיתי שאני זקוק לאמא שלי,

and that's when I called her. and that's when I called her.

ואז קראתי לה.

And she came through, she always came through. And she came through, she always came through

והיא הגיעה,היא תמיד הגיעה.

and we cried together. We cried together.

ובכינו יחד.

And you know, I didn't like the life

ואתה יודע,לא אהבתי את החיים

I didn't like the life I was living because like I said, I have two brothers that I left at home. I was living because like I said I have two brothers that I left at home.

שחייתי כמו שאמרתי יש לי שני אחים שעזבתי בבית.

Okay, so our brother is explaining because of this lifestyle, Okay, so our brother is explaining that because of this lifestyle,

או.קיי, אז אחינו מסביר בגלל אורח חיים זה,

he was going in and out of prison. he was going in and out of prison.

הוא היה נכלא ויוצא,

He was actually in prison for a long time as a result of the activities he was involved in. And he was actually in prison for a long time as a

והוא היה בכלא זמן ממושך בשל

result of the activities he was involved in.

פעילויות שבהן היה מעורב.

Brother, can you just explain to us, even after coming out of prison, And brother, can you just explain to us, even after coming out of prison,

ואח, אתה יכול פשוט להסביר לנו, גם לאחר ששוחררת מהכלא,

would you find you still going back to those same criminal activities would you find yourself still going back to those same criminal activities

היית מוצא את עצמך עדיין חוזר לאותם פעילויות של פשע

to get money even after being in prison to get money even after having been in prison and served a prison sentence?

כדי להשיג כסף גם אחרי שהיית משוחרר מהכלא

and served a prison sentence?

וריצת כבר עונש מאסר?

Yes, it was not easy because you know, Yeah, it was not easy because you know these things you do,

כן, זה לא היה קל כי אתה יודע הדברים האלה שאתה עושה,

you often find a sense of belonging. as a youth, you often fight for a sense of belonging.

אתה מוצא לעתים קרובות תחושת שייכות.

So I tried so many things even in prison. So I tried so many things even in prison,

אז ניסיתי כל כך הרבה דברים אפילו בכלא,

I tried joining the Islam or study Hare Krishna. I tried joining the Islam or study Hari krishna.

ניסיתי להצטרף לאיסלאם או מחקר הארי קרישנה.

At some point I was a Rasta, I smoked weed At some point I was a Rasta, I smoked weed

בשלב מסוים הייתי ראסטה, עישנתי חשיש

and sold drugs - a whole lot of drugs. and sold drugs - a whole lot of drugs.

וסחרתי סמים - הרבה סמים.

So there was a way that I would often go back and bounce back to that. There was a way that I would often go back and bounce back to that.

אז הייתה לי דרך לעתים קרובות לחזור ולקפוץ בחזרה לזה.

Because even when I came back out of prison, Because even when I came back out of prison

כי גם לאחר ששוחררתי מהכלא,

people came to my house and told me that they needed drugs. I found that people came into my house

מצאתי שאנשים נכנסו לבית שלי

and told me that they needed drugs.

ואמרו לי שהם זקוקים לסמים.

So having a lot of people come into my house that they needed drugs, So having a lot of people coming to my house that needed drugs,

אז היו הרבה אנשים שנכנסו לבית שלי שהם צריכים סמים,

I saw an opportunity that maybe I should go back and have these things. I saw an opportunity that maybe I should go back and have these things.

ראיתי הזדמנות שאולי אני צריך לחזור וליהנות מהדברים האלה..

And then I had drugs and then at some point And then I had drugs and at some point, I was working through the carnivals and

ואז היו לי סמים ואז בשלב מסוים

I was working through the canvas and

עבדתי בקנווס(חומרי אומנות, ציור וגרפיטי)

I would travel a whole lot of places I would travel to a whole lot of places.

הייתי נוסע להרבה מקומות

and I got hold of having the professional machines I got hold of professional machines for doing tattoos.

וקיבלתי את המכונות המקצועיות

of doing like tattoos.

לעשות כמו קעקועים.

Since I learned that in prison of doing tattoos Since I learned that in prison of doing tattoos

מאז שלמדתי לעשות קעקועים בכלא

and knowing that I was good in drawing and doing these things, and knowing that I was good in drawing and doing these things

וידעתי שאני טוב באָמָנוּת הַצִיוּר ועשיית הדברים האלה

then I bought these tattoos kits I bought these tattoo kits and I was a tattoo artist at some point.

אז קניתי ערכות לעשיית קעקועים

and I was a tattoo artist at some point.

והייתי אמן קעקועים בשלב מסוים.

Okay, was there ever a time after coming out of prison Okay, was there ever a time after coming out of prison

או.קיי,האם היה פעם אחרי שיצאת מהכלא

that you involved yourself in an operation whereby you were actually almost caught that you involved yourself in an operation whereby you're actually

כי אתה עצמך מעורב בפעולה שבו אתה בעצם

almost caught or you were sustained an injury or you sustained an injury in the process of a robbery operation that you were undertaking?

כמעט נתפסת או שנפצעת

in the process of robbery operation that you were undergoing?

בתהליך של מבצע שוד שאתה לקחת בה חלק?

Yes, I would call that the biggest turn of my life Yeah, I would call that the biggest turn of my life

כן, הייתי קורא לזה התפנית הכי גדולה של חיי.

because there are certain things that happened in my life because there were certain things that happened in my life - what is being called 'karma'.

כי יש דברים מסוימים שזה קרה בחיי

that, like they call it 'karma'.

זה, כמו שהם קוראים לזה 'קארמה'.

Like you do bad things and bad things will follow you. Like when you do bad things and bad things will follow you.

כמו שאתה עושה דברים רעים ודברים רעים בָ֧אים עָלֶ֛יךָ (בּוּמֵרָנְג).

So there are certain things that I did that they happened to me So there were certain things that I did that happened to me

אז יש דברים מסוימים שעשיתי ואז קרה גם לי.

and when they happened, it was not a surprise to me. and when they happened, it was not a surprise to me.

וכשזה קרה, זה לא היה הפתעה בשבילי.

Because I used to rob people and I was once robbed. I used to rob people and I was once robbed.

כי נהגתי לשדוד אנשים ואני נשדדתי פעם.

I used to have guns and I was once shot. I used to have guns and I was once shot.

הייתי נוהג להחזיק נשק ופעם ירו עלי.

You know, like being shot; like right now

אתה יודע, להיות ירוי; כמו עכשיו

I got my ankle is actually fused. My ankle is actually fused.

למעשה עשו לי איחוי של מפרק הקרסול.

And this is the first time that my mum will be hearing this This is the first time that my mum will be hearing this

וזו הפעם הראשונה שלי שאמא תשמע את זה

from here because even when I told her, because even when I told her about it, I told her a different story.

כאן אפילו כשאמרתי לה,

I told her a different story.

סיפרתי לה סיפור אחר.

But this is the first time that she hears this. But this is the first time that she hears.

אבל זו הפעם הראשונה שהיא שומעת.

I was actually involved in a robbery with a few guys. I was actually involved in a robbery with a few guys.

למעשה הייתי מעורב בשוד עם כמה בחורים.

We went and robbed a guy for his van, We actually went and robbed the other guy for his van

אנחנו למעשה הלכנו ושדדנו בחור עם הטנדר שלו

a couple of cell phones and a couple of laptops in a basement. and a couple of cell phones and a couple of laptops in a basement.

וכמה טלפונים סלולריים כמה מחשבים ניידים במרתף.

It was around Johannesburg in Oriental Plaza. It was around Johannesburg in oriental plaza.

זה היה סביב יוהנסבורג בכיכר המזרחית.

We robbed the guy - it was 2008. I think it was on a 23rd of March. We robbed the guy - it was 2008. I think it was on the 23rd of March.

אנחנו שדדו את הבחור - זה היה ב-2008. אני חושב שזה היה ב -23 במרץ.

We were three guys, I had a gun with me by then. We were three guys, I had a gun with me by then.

היינו שלושה בחורים,אני החזקתי אקדח.

The other guys had guns but they needed more guns to go and do the job This other guys had guns but they needed more guns to go and do the job,

לחבר'ה האחרים היו אקדחים אבל הזדקקו ליותר אקדחים כדי ללכת ולעשות את העבודה,

so they called me and we went there. so they called me and we went there.

אז הם התקשרו אלי והלכנו לשם.

Right when we went there, we took the car and we took everything. Right when we went there we took the car and we took everything,

בדיוק כאשר הלכנו לשם לקחנו את המכונית ולקחנו הכל,

we took the money, I took the money on me, We took the money, I took the money on me.

לקחנו את הכסף, כל הכסף היה עלי,

I had everything on me, and the other guy just shot. I had everything on account on me,

את כל הסכום החזקתי אני.

and the other guy just shot.

אחד הבחורים פשוט ירה.

He made a shot, he shot the other guy on the leg - He shot the other guy on the leg -

הוא ירה,הוא ירה בבחור השני על הרגל -

the guy who was there, whom we robbed. the guy who was there, whom we robbed.

הבחור שהיה שם, שאותו שדדנו.

And then there was the sound of a gun, And then there was a sound of a gun

ואז נשמע קול של אקדח

and there were the security guards around the area. there were security guards around the area.

והיו מאבטחים באזור.

And there were cops and there was a chase, There were cops and there was a chase.

והיו שוטרים והיה מרדף,

they chased us and then we actually left the car on the road They chased us, we actually left the car on the road

הם רדפו אחרינו ואז אנחנו באמת השאירנו את המכונית על הכביש

and we ran - everybody went his own way. and we ran - everybody went his own way.

ורצנו - כל אחד ברח לדרכו שלו.

And then they chased me, a security guard was chasing me. And then they chased me, the security guard who was chasing me - behind me

ואז רדפו אחרי-המאבטחים רדפו אחרי-מאחורי

The other friends of mine - I don't know if they were ever get caught or what. and the other friends of mine - I don't know if they were ever get caught or what.

והחברים האחרים שלי - אני לא יודע אם הם נתפסו או לא.

The other guy who was chasing me with a motorbike, I was having a gun - The other guy who was chasing me with a motorbike - I was having a gun,

הבחור השני שרודף אחרי היה עם אופנוע, החזקתי אקדח-

I pointed him with a gun and he actually moved away from me. I pointed the gun at him and he moved away from me.

כיוונתי אליו באקדח והוא למעשה התרחק ממני.

And then right there, when I was running, I took a ride and I saw a flat. Then right there, when I was running, I took a ride and I saw a flat.

ואז, כשהייתי שם רצתי,לקחתי טרמפ וראיתי דירה.

It was next to the oriental mall Plaza flat, I went in that mall. It was next to the Oriental Mall Plaza flat; I went into that mall.

זה היה ליד הקניון המזרחי פלאזה, נכנסתי לקניון ההוא.

Not in a mall, in a flat; I went into a flat Not into the mall, I went into a flat.

לא בקניון, בדירה; נכנסתי לדירה

and I went in and I just closed the door there by the flat. I went in and I just closed the door to the flat.

וכשנכנסתי סגרתי את הדלת של הדירה.

Right there when I closed the door by the flat, Right there when I closed the door by the flat,

ממש שם, כשסגרתי את הדלת של הדירה.

there was a door and at the bottom of the door there was a glass there. there was a door and at the bottom of the door, there was a glass there.

הייתה דלת ובתחתית של הדלת הייתה שם כוס.

So I just closed and I sat there, and I closed the door with my leg. So I just closed it and I sat there - I closed the door with my leg.

אז פשוט סגרתי וישבתי שם, וסגרתי את הדלת ברגלי.

And then I sat there and they thought probably I have just passed And then I sat there and they thought that probably I had just passed

ואז ישבתי שם והם חשבו כנראה שעברתי משם

because I saw them, a few of them passing through. because I saw them, a few of them were passing by.

כי ראיתי אותם, כמה מהם חולפים.

But right then, there was a guy who just came in. But right then there was a guy who just came in,

אבל ברגע זה היה בחור שזה עתה נכנס,

I think the guy who stayed in the same flat that I was in I think the guy who stayed in the same flat that I was in,

אני חושב שהבחור היה באותה דירה שהייתי בה,

because I found a door open - because I found the door open.

כי מצאתי דלת פתוחה -

I was the one who closed the door. I was the one who closed the door.

אני הייתי זה שסגר את הדלת.

So the guy who was staying there wanted to push the door So the guy who was staying there wanted to push the door

אז הבחור שהיה שם רצה לדחוף את הדלת

for him to enter in a flat and I was there, for him to enter into the flat and I was there.

כדי שהוא ייכנס לדירה ואני הייתי שם,

He saw that there were cops around and then he leaned a bit and saw me. and he saw that there were cops around and then he leaned a bit

והוא ראה שיש שוטרים מסביב ואז הוא נשען קצת

and he saw me. Right when he saw me, that's when he told her cops: Right when he saw me, that's when he told the cops, "Okay, the guy is there".

והוא ראה אותי. בדיוק כשראה אותי, אז הוא אמר לשוטרים:

"Okay, the guy is there".

"טוב, הבחור שם".

I heard him say, "The guy is there". I heard him say the guy is there.

שמעתי אותו אומר הבחור נמצא שם.

I tried to run but I had a shot. I tried to run but I heard a shot.

ניסיתי לרוץ אבל נורתי.

Then that's when they shot me on an ankle That's when they shot me on the ankle

ואז הם ירו בי על הקרסול

and I ran, I ran, I dragged myself, I dragged myself. and then I ran, I dragged myself.

ואני רצתי, רצתי, גררתי את עצמי.

Just next to the building there was a Mosque, it was around 5 o'clock. Just next to the building, there was a mosque; it was around 5 o'clock.

ממש ליד הבניין היה מסגד, זה היה בסביבות שעה 17:00.

I think that was a time where they were about to start service, I think it was the time when they were about to start their service.

אני חושב שזה היה הזמן שבו הם עמדו להתחיל בשירות,

so I went in there, I dragged myself, So I went in there, I dragged myself,

אז נכנסתי לשם, גררתי את עצמי,

I took my gun, I put it in a jacket. I wrapped it with a jacket. I took my gun, I put it in a jacket, I wrapped it with a jacket.

לקחתי את האקדח שלי, שמתי אותו במקטורן. עטפתי אותו במעיל.

I wrapped my leg, but when I looked at my leg - it was wobbling. I wrapped my leg, but when I looked at my leg, it was wobbling.

עטפתי את רגלי, אבל כשהסתכלתי ברגל שלי - זה היה מתנדנד.

הרגשתי כמו...

It was my first encounter of being shot, so I felt like my feet was going to... It was my first encounter of being shot so I felt like my feet was going to...

זה היה המפגש הראשון שלי שנורתי, אז הרגשתי כאילו הרגליים שלי הולך ...

I felt that this was a terrible pain. I felt that was a terrible pain.

הרגשתי שזה כאב נורא.

It is was really drastic. It was really drastic.

זה באמת היה דרסטי.

So I dragged myself and sat behind the door at the mosque. So I dragged myself and sat behind the door at the mosque.

אז גררתי את עצמי וישבתי מאחורי הדלת במסגד.

So they were passing through. Inside the mosque, So they were passing through; inside the mosque, there was a guy who was singing at the top.

אז הם עברו. בתוך המסגד,

there's was a guy who is singing on top

היה שם מישהו ששר שם למעלה

and they just passed him through.

ואנשים חלפו על פניו שם.

So I kept on asking for water from these guys and I drank a lot of water. So I kept on asking for water from these guys

אז המשכתי לבקש מים מהבחורים האלה

and I drank a lot of water.

ושתיתי הרבה מים.

At this point, your foot was heavily bleeding from the gunshots? And at this point your foot was heavily bleeding from the gunshots?

ובנקודה זו הרגל שלך הייתה מדממת מאוד כתוצאה של היריות?

Yes, I was heavily bleeding, that was the reason Yes, I was heavily bleeding, that was the reason

כן, היה לי דימום כבד, זו הייתה הסיבה

I took a jacket and wrapped my leg with a jacket for them not to see it. I took a jacket and wrapped my leg with a jacket

שלקחתי את הז'קט ועטפתי את רגלי במעיל

for them not to see the jacket; so they probably thought it was a

שלא יראו את הז'קט; כך הם בטח חשבו שזה היה

So they probably thought I was a beggar.

קבצן או משהו.

begger or something. So they gave me some water, some of them just passed me there. They gave me some water, some of them just passed me there.

אז נתנו לי קצת מים, כמה מהם פשוט חלפו על פני שם.

But then it was a time for the service to end, then they went out. But then it was the time for the service to end, then they went out.

אבל אז הגיע העת שהיה צריך לסיים את השירות, ואז הם יצאו.

And I went out and I dragged myself, I went out and I dragged myself.

ואני יצאתי וגררתי את עצמי,

By then it was around quarter past six. by then it was around quarter past six.

עד אז כבר בסביבות שש ורבע.

I'm not sure but it was past six in the afternoon. I'm not sure but it was past 6 in the afternoon.

אני לא בטוח אבל זה היה אחרי שש אחר הצהריים.

I dragged myself and sat just outside the building - I dragged myself and sat just outside the building -

גררתי את עצמי וישבתי ממש מחוץ לבניין -

There was a place where I could hide myself; I just hid myself there. there was a place where I could hide myself;

היה מקום שבו יכולתי להסתתר;

I just hid myself there.

פשוט הסתתרתי שם.

Next to that mosque was another building where there was a Next to that mosque was another building where there was a motorbike fix store.

ליד המסגד הזה היה עוד בניין אחד שבו היה

motorbike fix store; there were other guys who were fixing motorcycles. There were other guys who were fixing motorcycles.

חנות לתיקון אופנועים; היו בחורים אחרים שתיקנו אופנועים.

I think these guys were coming for a night shift. I think these guys were coming for a night shift.

אני חושב שהבחורים האלה הגיעו למשמרת לילה.

So they came in there, and when they went in, they saw me there. So they came in there, and when they went in, they saw me there.

אז הם היו באים לשם, כאשר הם נכנסו, ראו אותי שם.

And they asked me: "What's happening?" And they asked me, "What's happening?"

והם שאלו אותי: "מה קורה?"

and I told them - I lied to them again - and I told them - I lied to them again -

ואמרתי להם - שיקרתי להם שוב -

I told them: "No! I was robbed and I was shot, Please, I need help? "I was robbed and I got shot. Please, I need help.

אמרתי להם: "לא! נשדדתי ונורתי, בבקשה, אני זקוק לעזרה?

Can you call ambulance for me?"

אתה יכול להזמין אמבולנס בשבילי? "

Can you call an ambulance for me?" But the other guy told me: "No, aren't you the guy who was there around?" But the other guy told me, "No, aren't you the guy who was there around?"

אבל הבחור השני אמר לי: "לא, האם אתה לא הבחור שהיה שם? "

Because he saw actually there were cops around. because he saw that there were cops around.

כי הוא ראה ממש שוטרים בסביבה.

So by then I couldn't lie, so I told him: "Yes, So by then I couldn't lie, so I told him, "Yes, I am the guy",

אז לא יכולתי לשקר, אז אמרתי לו: "כן,

I am the guy, and I pulled out cash from my pockets. and I pulled out cash from my pockets.

אני הבחור, ואני הוצאתי כסף מכיסי.

I think I pulled out three thousand or something." I think I pulled out three thousand or something like that.

אני חושב ששלפתי שלושת אלפים משהו כזה. "

I gave them all the money I had and said,

נתתי להם את כל הכסף שהיה לי,

I gave them all the money I had, I told them: "I am the guy, please, can you help me and call me ambulance?" "I am the guy, please, can you help me and call me an ambulance?"

אמרתי להם: כן."אני הבחור, בבקשה, אתה יכול לעזור לי ולהזעיק אמבולנס? "

I stayed there till the ambulance came around midnight. And I stayed there till the ambulance came around 12 o'clock at midnight.

ואני נשארתי שם עד שהאמבולנס הגיע בסביבות השעה 12 בחצות.

Then the ambulance took me, I went to Helen Joseph Hospital. Then the ambulance took me, I went to Helen Joseph's Hospital.

ואז האמבולנס לקח אותי, הובהלתי לבית החולים ע"ש הלן ג'וסף.

Right there in Helen Joseph Hospital they came with scissors, Right there in Helen Joseph's Hospital they came with a scissors,

ממש שם בבית החולים של הלן ג'וסף הם באו עם מספריים,

they tried to cut my clothing and all that they tried to cut my clothing and all that

הם ניסו לחתוך את בגדי ואת כל זה

because I was heavily bleeding but I got a chance - I took the gun again, because I was heavily bleeding, but I got a chance - I took a gun again,

כי הייתי עם דימום כבד, אבל הייתה לי הזדמנות - לקחתי שוב את האקדח,

I hid it with my jacket, I put it right there I hid it with my jacket, I put it right there

החבאתי אותו עם הז'קט שלי, שמתי אותו שם

where my clothing and my belonging could be - where my clothing and my belonging can be -

יחד עם הבגדים שלי והפריטים ששייכים לי-

in like a small cabinet just next to my bed. in like a small cabinet just next to my bed.

כמו ארון קטן ליד המיטה שלי.

And I went to theater and I came back. When I came back, I went to the theatre and came back.

ואני הלכתי לתיאטרון וכאשר שבתי חזרה.

When I came back, I found that the gun was still there, and I stayed there. I found a gun was still there, and I stayed there and I called my girlfriend.

מצאתי את האקדח עדיין שם, נשארתי שם והתקשרתי לחברה שלי.

I called my girlfriend. I have two kids with my wife, I was staying with her then. I have two kids with my wife, I was staying with her then.

יש לי שני ילדים עם אשתי, אני גרתי איתה אז.

I called her to come and get the gun. I called her to come and get the gun.

התקשרתי אליה כדי שהיא תבוא ותיקח את האקדח.

She came and got the gun from the place. She came and got the gun from the place.

היא באה והוציאה את האקדח מהמקום.

Okay, so we're listening to this life experience of our brother. Okay, so we're listening to this life experience of our brother.

או.קיי, אז אנחנו מקשיבים לניסיון החיים של אחינו.

He said during one of these robbery operations He said that during one of these robbery operations,

הוא אמר במהלך אחד מאותם פעולות שוד

he was actually shot in the ankle he was actually shot in the ankle and taken to the hospital.

הוא נורה בעצם בקרסול

and taken to hospital and he actually lied there

והובהל לבית החולים והוא ממש שיקר שם

He actually lied there that he had been attacked that he had been attacked whereas

כי הוא הותקף בעוד

whereas he was actually the one involved in the robbery operation. he was actually the one involved in the robbery operation.

שהוא היה למעשה המעורב בפעולת השוד.

Brother, for how long were you in the hospital as a result of this gunshot to your ankle? And brother, how long were you in the hospital as a result of this

ואח, כמה זמן שהיית בבית החולים בשל

gunshots in your ankle?

הירי בקרסול שלך?

I stayed in the hospital for about nine months I stayed in the hospital for about nine months.

נשארתי בבית החולים בערך תשעה חודשים.

Because you actually had to go through like operations. because I had to go through operations.

כי בעצם הייתי צריך לעבור כמה ניתוחים.

I think I had to go for three operations. I think I had to go for three operations.

אני חושב שהייתי צריך לעבור שלושה ניתוחים.

But my mom used to come and visit me there, But my mom used to come through and visit me there,

אבל אמא שלי הייתה באה לבקר אותי שם,

and she was a believer, she would pray for me. and she was a believer, she would pray for me.

והיא אישה מאמינה, היא הייתה מתפללת בשבילי.

Well, there were evangelists and people who would pray for me around there. There were evangelists and people who would pray for me around there.

ובכן, היו אוונגליסטים ואנשים שהתפללו בשבילי שם.

But I wouldn't want to listen to them because I was fed up. But I wouldn't want to listen to them because I was fed up.

אבל לא הייתי רוצה לשמוע אותם מפני שנמאס לי.

But I didn't know I was angry at God, I asked God: But I didn't know I was angry at God, I asked God,

אבל לא ידעתי שאני כועס על אלוהים, שאלתי את אלוהים:

"Why did You do this to me, I'm a good boy. "Why did You do this to me? I'm a good boy.

"למה עשית לי את זה, אני ילד טוב.

I'm a first graduate and all this, why are You doing this to me?" I'm a first graduate and all this. Why are You doing this to me?"

אני בוגר ראשון וכל זה, למה אתה עושה לי את זה?"

So I was just fed up, I didn't want to hear prayers. So I was just fed up, I didn't want to hear prayers.

אז נמאס לי, לא רציתי לשמוע תפילות.

But when she came - she is my mum - But when she came through - "she" is my mum -

אבל כשהיא באה - "היא" אמא שלי -

when she came, I would listen to her and she would pray for me. when she came, I would listen to her and she would pray for me.

כשהיא הייתה מגיעה, אקשיב לה והיא תתפלל בשבילי.

Okay, so as our brother said earlier, our mother is actually hearing Okay, so as our brother said earlier our mother is actually hearing

או.קיי, כמו שאח שלנו אמר קודם לכן אמא שלנו ממש שומעת

the truth behind this incident for the first time. the truth behind this incident for the first time.

את האמת מאחורי האירוע הזה בפעם הראשונה.

She was under the impression that her son was attacked in a robbery operation. She was under the impression that her son was attacked in a robbery operation,

היה לה את הרושם שהבן שלה הותקף בפעולת שוד.

Hence the gun wound on his leg whereas today hence the gun wound on his leg, whereas today, he is confessing for the first time

ובשל כך יש לו פציעה ברגלו מיריית אקדח.

he's confessing for the first time that he was actually the one who that he was actually the one who perpetrated that robbery operation.

היום הוא מתוודה בפעם הראשונה כי הוא היה למעשה

perpetrated robbery operation.

זה שביצע את השוד.

So brother, even after you came out from the hospital with this injury to your ankle, So brother even after you came out from hospital with this injury to your

אז אח גם אחרי שיצאת מבית החולים עם הפציעה הזו שלך

ankle - did this mean you still continued this life of did this mean you still continued this life of selling drugs and these criminal activities?

בקרסול - האם זה אומר שאתה עדיין המשכת את החיים של

selling drugs and these criminal activities?

סחר סמים ופעולות של פשע?

It was a turning point because I felt like there was nothing I could do. It was a turning point because I felt like there was nothing I could do.

זו היתה נקודת מפנה כי הרגשתי כאילו לא יכולתי לעשות שום דבר.

I used to skate, I used to play basketball, I used to skate, I used to play basketball,

נהגתי להחליק על סקייטים, נהגתי לשחק כדורסל,

I'm an artist so I needed to climb stairs and things like that, I'm an artist so I needed to climb stairs and things like that

אני אמן ולכן אני צריך לטפס מדרגות ודברים כאלה,

so my leg was very important to me. so my leg was very important to me.

אז הרגל שלי היתה חשובה לי מאוד.

But to me, I asked myself like: "What next?" I asked myself like, "What next?"

אבל לי, שאלתי את עצמי כמו: "מה הלאה?"

I thought that maybe I would die, if I do something else - I would die. I thought that maybe I would die; if I did something else, I would die.

חשבתי שאולי אני אמות, אם אעשה משהו אחר - אמות.

But I bounced back, I went back to the neighborhood, But I bounced back, I went back to the neighbourhood,

אבל אני שוב שבתי לסורי עם חזרתי לשכונה,

I went back to selling drugs again. I went back to selling drugs again.

חזרתי לסחור סמים שוב.

But then I sold drugs, and then I continued doing tattoos again. By then I sold drugs and I continued doing tattoos again.

אבל אז מכרתי סמים, ואז המשכתי שוב לעשות קעקועים.

But I still had a gun with me again. But I still had a gun with me.

אבל שוב היה ברשותי אקדח.

Okay, so now you said that you actually became a tattoo artist, Okay, so now you said that you actually became a tattoo artist, that you learned that you learned about tattoes whilst you were in prison.

או.קיי, אז עכשיו אמרת שאתה בעצם הפכת לאמן של קעקועים, שלמדת

about tattoos whilst you're in prison. Could you just explain to us Could you just explain to us more about the tattoes that you put all over your body?

על קעקועים בזמן שהיית בכלא, אתה יכול להסביר לנו

more about the tattoos that you put all over your body?

עוד על קעקועים כי אתה מְקוּעְקָּע בכל הגוף שלך?

I would do tattoos - I don't know, if maybe I could show you? I would do tattoos - I don't know, if maybe I could show you? Tebogo & Mother - Prophecy Testimony Tebogo & Mother Prophecy Testimony

הייתי עושה קעקועים - אני לא יודע, אולי כדאי שאראה לכם? טבוגו ואמא - עדות נבואה

So our brother is explaining that he actually put tattoos across his entire body. Our brother is explaining that he actually put tattoes across his entire body.

אז אח שלנו מסביר שהוא באמת מְקוּעְקָּע בכל חלקי גופו.

As he said, he was a tattoo artist. As he said, he was a tattoo artist.

כפי שהוא אמר, הוא היה אמן קעקועים.

And this is exactly as the man of God prophesied in the word of prophecy - And this is exactly as the man of God prophesied in the word of prophecy -

וזה בדיוק כפי שאִישׁ-הָאֱלֹהִים התנבא בדְּבַר נבואתו-

he said, there's a brother there that has tattoos all over his body, he said, there is a brother there that has tattoes all over his body

הוא אמר,יש שם אח עם קעקועים בכל הגוף,

And this is what we're seeing now.

וזה מה שאנחנו רואים עכשיו.

and this is what we are seeing now. So just tell his brother, what prompted you to be doing such? So just tell us, brother, what prompted you to be doing such?

אז פשוט תגיד לנו אח, מה גרם לך לעשות את זה?

Well, my tattoo was...

טוב, הקעקוע שלי היה ...

Like I said, I was angry at God. Like I said, I was angry at God,

כמו שאמרתי, כעסתי על אלוהים,

there's a whole lot of things that happened to me There were a whole lot of things that happened to me and I was angry at God.

יש לי המון דברים שקרו לי

and I was angry at God, hence

וכעסתי על אלוהים, לָכֵן

Hence, I did the Lord's prayer on my cheek. I did a Lord's prayer on my cheek.

עשיתי תפילה של אלוהים על הלחי שלי.

I did some wings on my neck. I did some wings on my neck,

עשיתי כמה כנפיים על צווארי,

I did a whole lot of tattoos all over my body. I did a whole lot of tattoes all over my body.

עשיתי הרבה קעקועים בכל הגוף.

And I came back. When I came back, When I came back, I continued selling drugs.

וכאשר שבתי,שבתי חזרה,

I continued selling drugs.

המשכתי לסחור סמים.

And then something happened to me again. At some certain point And then something happened to me again.

ואז קרה לי משהו שוב .בנקודה מסוימת

At a certain point, I was with my girlfriend, she bought a car I was with my girlfriend, she bought a car and I was chilling just

הייתי עם החברה שלי, היא קנתה מכונית ואני הצטמררתי

and I was chilling just next to my house at the front of my gate next to my house at the front of my gate.

ליד הבית שלי בחזית השער שלי.

and I was hijacked. And I was hijacked.

ואני נחטפתי.

They actually tried to hijack us - me and my girlfriend. They actually tried to hijack us, me and my girlfriend.

הם באמת ניסו לחטוף אותנו, אותי ואת החברה שלי.

There were four guys who wanted to hijack and I was nabbed six times. There were four guys who wanted to hijack and I was knived six times.

היו שם ארבעה בחורים שרצו לחטוף אותי ואני נדקרתי בסכין שש פעמים.

And I stayed in prison, I was knifed right here, I stayed in prison, I was knifed right here in the middle of my throat.

ואני נשארתי בכלא,נפצעת בסכין כאן,

in the middle of my throat.

באמצע הגרון שלי.

I was knifed right here on my nerve. I was knifed right here in the middle. And I was knifed here on my nerve. I was knifed here in the middle.

ואני נפצעתי בסכין כאן על העצב שלי. אני נפצעתי בסכין כאן באמצע.

I think, at the back... she knows - she came again and prayed for me right there. I think, at the back... And she knows and she came through again.

אני חושב, מאחור ... והיא יודעת והיא באה שוב.

She prayed for me right there again.

היא התפללה בשבילי שוב.

So what you were doing to others now actually happened to you So what you were doing to others now actually happened to you

אז מה שעשית לאחרים עכשיו ממש קורה לך

and you were attempted to hijack your car, and they attempted to hijack your car,

ניסו לחטוף אותך ואת המכונית שלך,

and you were stabbed six times with a knife when you're with your girlfriend? and you were stabbed six times with a knife when you were with your girlfriend.

ואתה נדקר שש פעמים עם סכין כאשר אתה עם החברה שלך?

So what you were doing to others now came back and happened to you. So what you were doing to others now came back and happen to you?

אז מה שעשית לאחרים עכשיו חוזר בחזרה אלייך?

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

כן אדוני.

So can you just tell us, so today to the glory of God, we can actually see you Can you just tell us, today to the glory of God, we can actually see you

אז אתה יכול פשוט לספר לנו, אז היום כבוד לאלוהים, אנחנו באמת יכולים לראות אותך

standing in the presence of God with your mum here in The SCOAN. standing in the presence of God with your mom here the Synagogue Church of All Nations.

עומד בנוכחות של אלוהים עם אמא שלך כאן בכנסיית 'בית הכנסת' של כל האומות.

Could you just tell us,

אתה יכול פשוט לספר לנו,

Could you just tell us, how did it happen that you came to be here in The SCOAN today? how did it happen that you came to be here in the Synagogue Church of All Nations today?

איך קרה שהגעת לכאן לכנסיית 'בית הכנסת' של כל האומות היום?

Well, I used to be in denial. Actually she's a believer, Well, I used to be in denial. Actually she's a believer.

טוב, הייתי פעם בהכחשה. למעשה היא מאמינה,

she always her she always prayed, She always used to pray whenever I came.

היא תמיד התמידה בתפילה,

whenever I came through.

בכל מה שעברתי,

I don't know how she knew that I don't know how she knew that but every time I came and was about to leave the house,

אני לא יודע איך היא ידעה את זה

but every time I came through and was about to leave the house,

אבל בכל פעם ששרדתי והייתי עומד לעזוב את הבית,

she used to pray for me, and she gave me some she used to pray for me and gave me some of TB Joshua's books to read at home.

היא הייתה מתפללת בשבילי, והיא נתנה לי

TB Joshua's books to go and read at home.

את ספריו של טי.בי.ג'ושוע ללכת ולקרוא בבית.

And every time I came back she asked me: Every time I came back, she asked me, "Did you read those books?"

ובכל פעם שחזרתי היא שאלה אותי:

"Did you read those books?"

"קראת את הספרים האלה?"

But I started to read those books.

אבל התחלתי לקרוא את הספרים האלה

But I started to read those books and I started to read the books.

והתחלתי לקרוא את הספרים.

Right then, I met someone - while she was praying for me - And that right then, I met someone - while she was praying for me -

ובדיוק אז פגשתי מישהו - בזמן שהיא התפללה בשבילי -

I met someone in the hospital before I got discharged, I met someone in the hospital before I got discharged,

פגשתי מישהו בבית החולים לפני שהשתחררתי,

who actually told me that I should actually tell my story to someone in order for me to get healed. who actually told me that I should tell my story to someone in order for me to get healed.

אשר למעשה אמר לי שאני צריך למעשה לספר את הסיפור שלי למישהו כדי שאוכל להתרפא.

So that's how I got here. So that's how I got healed.

אז ככה הגעתי לכאן.

Okay, can you explain, when your mum initially introduced you to The SCOAN, Emmanuel TV, Okay, can you explain, when your mum initially introduced you

או.קיי, אתה יכול להסביר, מתי אמא שלך יִידְּעָה אותך לראשונה

to the Synagogue Church for All Nations, Emmanuel TV,

אודות כנסיית 'בית הכנסת' של כל האומות,וטלוויזיה של עמנואל,

what was your reaction initially when she introduced you to these things? what was your reaction initially when she introduced you to these things?

מה הייתה התגובה שלך בתחילה כאשר הציגה בפניך את הדברים האלה?

I didn't believe it at all. I didn't believe it at all.

לא האמנתי בזה בכלל.

So I would watch it, I mean would watch Emmanuel TV the whole day. I would watch it, I mean I would watch Emmanuel TV the whole day.

אז יכולתי לצפות בזה, אבל לצפות בטלוויזיה של עמנואל כל היום.

And she knows, I would complain to her. And she knows, I would complain to her.

והיא יודעת, הייתי מתלונן בפניה.

And when she went out, I would change the channel and watch some other things. When she went out, I would change the channel and watch some other things.

וכשהיא יצאה, הייתי משנה את הערוץ וצופה בשאר הערוצים האחרים.

When she came back, we would watch Emmanuel TV. And when she came back, we would watch Emmanuel TV.

וכשחזרה, אנחנו היינו צופים בטלוויזיה של עמנואל.

But I would ask her: "Are we going to watch this thing the whole day?" But I would ask her, "Are we going to watch this thing the whole day?"

אבל הייתי שואל אותה: "אנחנו הולכים לראות את הדבר הזה כל היום? "

Those were the things I would say to her. Those were the things I would say to her.

אלה היו הדברים שהייתי אומר לה.

But now I do, we sit together and we watch it on video. But now I do, we sit together and we watch it on video.

אבל עכשיו אני אכן צופה, אנחנו יושבים יחד ואנחנו צופים בווידאו.

So initially you were.... Okay, so initially you were....

או.קיי, אז בהתחלה היית ....

Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ. Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ.

בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח!

So initially you were very skeptical, but your mum kept persisting So initially you were very sceptical but your mum kept persisting and encouraging you.

אז בהתחלה היית מאוד סקפטי, אבל אמא שלך המשיכה להתמיד

and encouraging you. And what finally,

ולעודד אותך. ומה בסופו של דבר,

And what finally - maybe there was something you saw on Emmanuel TV maybe there was something you saw on Emmanuel TV or experience

אולי היה משהו שאתה ראית בטלוויזיה של עמנואל

or an experience you had that finally convinced you that you too should come here. you had that finally convinced you that you too should come here?

שסוף סוף שכנע אותך שגם אתה צריך לבוא לכאן?

Well, she's the one who actually shone the light on me, Well, she's the one who actually shone the light on me.

ובכן, היא זו שבאמת הדליקה את האור עלי,

she told me: "I know you, I gave birth to you, She told me, "I know you, I gave birth to you.

היא אמרה לי: "אני מכירה אותך, ילדתי אותך,

I know you are a good boy, and I miss that good boy in you". I know you are a good boy, and I miss that good boy in you."

אני יודעת שאתה ילד טוב, ואני מתגעגעת אלייך.

You know, so that thing would make me very sad. That thing would make me very sad

אתה יודע, אז הדבר הזה העציב אותי מאוד.

because I wanted to see her smile, I wanted to make her proud. Because I wanted to see her smile, I wanted to make her proud.

כי רציתי לראות אותה מחייכת, רציתי לגרום לה להתגאות.

I looked at myself, and I was full of tattoes. So immediately when I saw that... I looked at myself, and I was like full of tattoos.

אז מיד כשראיתי את זה ... הסתכלתי על עצמי, ואני הייתי מלא קעקועים.

So I would ask myself...

אז הייתי שואל את עצמי ...

I would ask myself... And she told me, because she used to come here and come back. She used to come here and come back.

והיא אמרה לי, כי היא נהגה לבוא לכאן ולחזור.

And she told me: "I've been to the Synagogue Church of All Nations, She told me, "I've been to The SCOAN.

והיא אמרה לי: "הייתי בכנסיית 'בית הכנסת' של כל האומות,

It's beautiful, there is power there, you should come through there". It's beautiful. There is power there. You should go there".

זה יפה, יש שם כוח, אתה צריך לבוא לשם ".

But I would ask her, "How would they accept a guy like me - I am full of tattoes?" But I'd ask her how would they accept a guy like me - I am full of tattoos?

אבל הייתי שואל אותה איך יקבלו בחור כמוני - אני מלא קעקועים?

I meant, how could I enter in the Lord's house? I meant how could I enter in the Lord's house?

התכוונתי איך אוכל להיכנס לבית של אלוהים?

I was full of hesitation and in denial of that. So I was a full of hesitation and in denial of that.

אז הייתי מלא היסוס ובהכחשה לכך.

So you thought that you would not be accepted in the church So you thought that you would not be accepted in the church

אז חשבת שלא תתקבל בכנסייה

because of your appearance with the tattoos all over your body? because of your appearance with the tattoes all over your body?

בגלל המראה שלך עם כל הקעקועים בכל הגוף שלך?

Indeed, but then it happened differently. Indeed, but then it happened differently.

אכן, אבל אז זה קרה אחרת.

Even if I was in denial, Even though I was in denial, at some point I was tired of the street.

גם אם הייתי בהכחשה,

but at some point I was tired of the street,

אבל בשלב מסוים נמאס לי מהרחוב,

I wanted to make her happy - she was always crying. I wanted to make her happy - she was always crying.

רציתי לשמח אותה - היא הייתה תמיד בוכה.

When I met her, she was not having a smile and I missed that from her. When I met her, she was not having a smile and I missed that from her.

כשהייתי פוגש אותה,היא לא הייתה מחייכת והתגעגעתי לזה.

She was my best friend of all, you should see us in the house. She was my best friend of all, you should see us in the house.

היא הייתה החברה הכי טובה שלי, אתה צריך לראות אותנו בבית.

She's the best. So I missed that, so then I actually told her, She is the best. So I missed that. One day I told her that...

היא הכי טובה. אז התגעגעתי לזה,אז אמרתי לה,

one day I told her that...

יום אחד אמרתי לה ש ...

She told me that we should go and I told her I want to go. She told me that we should go and I told her I want to go.

היא אמרה לי שאנחנו צריכים ללכת ואמרתי לה שאני רוצה ללכת.

And she thought I was lying, and I told her: "Yes, I am going to go". She thought I was lying, and I told her, "Yes, I am going to go".

והיא חשבה שאני משקר אמרתי לה: "כן, אני הולך".

She gave me money to go and do my passport She gave me money to go and do my passport.

היא נתנה לי כסף ללכת ולהוציא את הדרכון שלי

I ate the money, and she called me again, and I didn't answer her calls. I ate the money, and she called me again, and I didn't answer her calls.

בזבזתי את הכסף, והיא התקשרה אלי שוב, ולא עניתי לה.

But after some time I answered her call again, But after some time I answered her calls again,

אבל כעבור זמן מה עניתי לטלפון שוב,

and I agreed to come through here and then we came in here. I agreed to come here and then we came here.

ואני הסכמתי להגיע לכאן ואז התחלנו את כל התהליך.

But right at the airport - I was having tattoos all over my body and I was wearing a t-shirt. Right at the airport - I was having tattoes all over my body and I was wearing a T-shirt.

אבל ממש בשדה התעופה - היו לי קעקועים בכל הגוף ואני לבשתי חולצת טריקו.

This our mother who was our coordinater actually gave us T-shirt: Our mother who was our coordinater actually gave us a T-shirt

זאת הייתה אמא שלנו הרכזת שלנו למעשה שנתנה לנו חולצת טריקו:

'My heart is heaven' with a big red heart, 'My love is in heaven' with a big red heart,

"אהבתי בשמים" עם לב אדום גדול,

and I was having tattoos all over my body, and I was having tattoes all over my body so I felt that this was a contradiction.

ולי היה קעקועים בכל הגוף,

so I felt like this is a contradiction.

אז הרגשתי כאילו זה סתירה.

I would look at people around me, how they were looking at me at the airport, I would look at people around me, how they were looking at me in the airport

הייתי מסתכל על אנשים סביבי, איך שהם היו בוחנים אותי בשדה התעופה

and in the plane and things like that. in the plane and things like that.

ובמטוס ודברים כאלה.

But when you finally arrived, just tell us what you experienced But when you finally arrived, just tell us what you experienced

אבל כשסוף סוף הגעת, רק תספר לנו מה שחווית

when you came down to the church? when you came down to the church?

עם הגעתך לכנסייה?

What I experienced here is something I've never experienced in my life. What I experienced here is something I have never experienced in my life

מה שחוויתי כאן זה משהו שמעולם לא חוויתי בחיי.

Because when I came here, because when I came here,

כי כשהגעתי לכאן,

the guy who came to collect us from the airport - the guy who came to collect us from the airport - just right when I came in,

הבחור שבא לאסוף אותנו משדה התעופה -

he drove there, when I just came in.

הוא נסע לשם,כשבאתי לאוטו להיכנס.

He just gave me a hand and said: "Yes sir, how are you?" he just gave me a handshake and said, "Yes, sir, how are you?"

הוא הושיט את ידו ואמר: "כן אדוני, מה שלומך?"

And that was the first thing - I have never been called 'sir'. And that was the first thing - I've never been called 'sir'.

וזה היה הדבר הראשון - מעולם לא קראו לי 'אדוני'.

He just said, "Yes, sir, how are you, sir?" I was like, "I'm good". He just said: "Yes sir, how are you sir?" I was like: "I'm good".

הוא רק אמר: "כן אדוני, מה שלומך?" הייתי כמו: "אני טוב".

But I was still bitter. But I was still bitter, he sai: "Good morning!" He said, "Good Morning" - I didn't answer him because I didn't know what it meant.

אבל עדיין הייתי מריר, הוא אמר: "בוקר טוב!"

I didn't answer him because I didn't know what he meant.

לא עניתי לו כי לא ידעתי למה הוא מתכוון.

So we came together with him, but the guy didn't even ask me about my tattoos, So we came together with him but the guy didn't even ask me about my tattoes,

אז באנו יחד איתו, אבל הבחור אפילו לא שאל אותי על הקעקועים שלי,

he didn't even look at me funnily and I still meet him even now. he didn't even look at me funnily and I still meet him even now.

הוא אפילו לא הביט בי במבט מוזר ואני עדיין פוגש אותו אפילו עכשיו.

So you saw the initial love and acceptance So you saw that initial love and acceptance.

אז ראית את האהבה הראשונית ואת הקבלה

and then when you came down to the church - just tell us, what happened And then when you came down to the church - just tell us, what happened

ואז שהגעת לכנסייה - רק תגיד לנו, מה קרה

as you arrived here at the church and when you came to the Sunday service? as you arrived here at the church and when you came to the Sunday service?

כאשר הגעת לכאן לכנסייה וכאשר הגעת לשירות יום ראשון?

When I arrived in church, they showed us the place where we should go to sleep. When I arrived in church, they showed us the place where we should go to sleep.

כשהגעתי לכנסייה הם הראו לנו את המקום שבו אנחנו צריכים ללכת לישון.

But I would stay there where we just sleep. But I would stay there where we just sleep.

אבל אני נשארתי שם, ונרדמתי.

I wouldn't come here to church, I would just stay there. I wouldn't come here to church, I would just stay there.

לא הייתי מגיע לכאן לכנסייה, הייתי פשוט נשאר שם.

But there were people who were still looking at me in a different way. But there were people who were still looking at me in a different way.

אבל היו אנשים שהיו עדיין מתבוננים בי באופן שונה.

But you know, I didn't know but when I came here - But when I came here - we would sit in the dining room, we would discuss,

אבל אתה יודע, לא ידעתי כשבאתי לכאן -

we would sit in a dining room, we would discuss,

היינו יושבים בחדר האוכל, היינו מדברים,

we would look at people and hear testimonies on TV - we would look at people and hear testimonies on Emmanuel TV -

היינו מסתכלים על אנשים ושומעים עדויות בטלוויזיה -

that I thought I was the worst, but when I looked at other testimonies, that I thought I was the worst but when I looked at other testimonies,

כי חשבתי שאני הגרוע ביותר, אבל כשהסתכלתי על עדויות אחרות,

that's when I felt like... that's when I felt like...

אז הרגשתי ...

Amen! Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ. Amen! Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ,

אָמֵן! בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח.

That's how the testimonies of others really inspired our brother. that's how the testimonies of others really inspired our brother.

כך שעדויות של אחרים באמת נתנו השראה לאח שלנו.

Brother, on Sunday we witnessed the clip as you sat down in the church And brother, on Sunday we witnessed the clip as you sat down at the church

ואח, ביום ראשון היינו עדים לקליפ בעודך יושב בכנסייה

and the man of God gave that prophecy - can you describe what happened and the man of God gave that prophecy - can you describe what happened

ואִישׁ-הָאֱלֹהִים נתן את דְּבַר הנבואה הזאת - אתה יכול לתאר מה קרה

on that day when you received the prophecy and ever since then the changes in your life?} on that day when you received the prophecy and ever since then the changes in your life.

באותו היום שבו קיבלת את הנבואה ומה הם השינויים שחלו בחייך?

Well, I was still in denial because even when he called me, Well, I was still in denial because even when he called me,

ובכן, עדיין הייתי בהכחשה כי אפילו כשהוא קרא לי לצאת ,

the other evangelist sister... the other evangelist sister...

אחות אוונגליסטית ...

Prophet TB Joshua came and touched me. Prophet TB Joshua came and touched me.

הנביא טי.בי.ג'ושוע בא ונגע בי.

But you know, due to I was still in denial nothing happened. But you know, due to I was still in denial, nothing happened.

אבל אתה יודע, בגלל שהייתי עדיין בהכחשה לא קרה דבר.

I just stood there, he touched me but I was still in denial because I didn't know what was happening. I just stood there, he touched me but I was still in denial because I didn't know what was happening.

פשוט עמדתי שם, הוא נגע בי אבל אני הייתי עדיין בהכחשה כי לא ידעתי מה קורה.

I was confused about what was happening around. I was confused about what was happening around.

הייתי מבולבל לגבי מה שקורה מסביב.

You know, but then when these things happened, when he called me out, But then when these things happened, when he called me out,

אתה יודע, אבל אז, כשדברים כאלה קרו, כשהוא קרא לי לצאת,

nobody knew about my life, and when he said that, nobody knew about my life, and he when he said that,

איש לא ידע על חיי, וכשהוא אמר את זה,

I just came out because I really felt it. I just came out because I really felt it.

אני פשוט יצאתי כי באמת הרגשתי את זה.

Amen, let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ. Amen. Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ.

אָמֵן! בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח.

And to the glory of God, brother - it has been one week now, And to the glory of God, brother - it has been one week now,

ולתהילה של אלוהים, אח- עבר שבוע אחד עכשיו,

ever since that encounter, what are the changes you have experienced in your life? ever since that encounter, what are the changes you've experienced in your life?

מאז אותו מפגש, מה הם השינויים שחווית בחייך?

I have experienced love, tolerance. I have experienced love, tolerance.

חוויתי אהבה, סובלנות.

As a youth, you have to live like a life of a movie, As a youth, you have to live like a life of a movie,

כנער, אתה צריך לחיות כמו חיים של סרט,

and when you are watching a movie, at the end of the movie it is not nice. and when you're watching a movie at the end of the movie not nice.

וכאשר אתה צופה בסרט בסוף הסרט לא יפה.

So I was living like that, but when I came here, So I was living like that, but when I came here,

אז חייתי ככה, אבל כשהגעתי לכאן,

I would go to Bible classes, meet people around, everybody greets... I would go to Bible classes, meet people around, everybody greets everybody.

הלכתי לשיעורי התנ"ך, נפגשתי עם אנשים מסביב, כולם מברכים ...

You go to sleep, nobody steals but nobody is told not to steal. You go to sleep, nobody steals, but nobody is told not to steal.

אתה הולך לישון, אף אחד לא גונב, אבל אף אחד לא אמר לא לגנוב.

Things like that, those are the things that matter to me most. Things like that; those are the things that matter to me most.

דברים כאלה, אלה הם דברים שחשובים לי ביותר.

Amen! Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ. Amen. Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ. So you're now living a completely new life. That spirit that was disturbing you So you're now living a completely new life.

אָמֵן! בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח.

That spirit that was disturbing you to rob, to steal, to take drugs, sell drugs has completely gone.

אז עכשיו אתה חי חיים חדשים לגמרי. הרוח שהטרידה אותך

to rob, to steal, to take drugs, sell drugs has completely gone.

לשדוד, לגנוב, לקחת סמים, לסחור סמים נעלם לחלוטין.

Yes, I can really confess now and say that Jesus Christ is my Saviour. Yes, I can really confess now and say that Jesus Christ is my Savior.

כן, אני באמת יכול להתוודות עכשיו ולומר שישוע המשיח הוא מושיעי.

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טבוגו ואמא - עדות נבואה

I used to think that I could be saved by certain things, but it's all vanity. I used to think that I could be saved by certain things, but it's all vanity.

פעם נהגתי לחשוב שאפשר להציל אותי על ידי דברים מסוימים, אבל הכל הֲבֵל הֲבָלִים.

Amen! Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ. Amen! Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ.

אָמֵן! בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח.

And brother, we know that your past is over and you're completely out of your past life. Brother, we know that your past is over and you're completely out of your past life.

ואח, אנו יודעים כי העבר שלך נגמר. ואתה לגמרי מחוץ לחיים שהיו לך בעבר.

For the glory of God, you mentioned earlier that you actually have tattoos For the glory of God, you mentioned earlier that you actually have tattoos all over your body.

לתפארת אלוהים, הזכרת קודם לכן שיש לך קעקועים

all over your body could you just actually show us clearly the extend Could you just actually show us clearly the extent of those tattoes all over your body,

בכל הגוף שלך אתה יכול פשוט למעשה להראות לנו בבירור עד הכין משתרע

of those tattoos all over your body, so people can really see so that people can really see what the Lord has done for you?

היקף הקעקועים האלה בכל הגוף, כך שאנשים יכולים באמת לראות

what the Lord has done for you?

מה האדון עשה בשבילך?

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טבוגו ואמא - עדות נבואה

So once again, we're just showing this so that people of God So once again, we are just showing this so that people of God can understand

אז שוב, אנחנו רק מראים את זה כדי שאנשים של אלוהים

can understand what Jesus Christ has really delivered our brother from what Jesus Christ has really delivered our brother from, that life he was living.

יוכלו להבין את מה שישוע המשיח באמת עשה עבורו וגאל את אח שלנו

that life he was living. And he said earlier

מהחיים האלה שהוא היה חי בהם. והוא אמר קודם לכן

He said earlier that as someone with tattoes all over his body, that as someone with tattoos all over his body

כי מישהו עם קעקועים בכל חלקי גופו

he felt that he would not actually be accepted in the church environment. he felt that he would not actually be accepted in the church environment.

הוא הרגיש שהוא לא ממש יתקבל בסביבה של הכנסייה.

He felt she would be looked down upon He felt he would be looked down upon or condemned because of his appearance.

הוא הרגיש שעלולים לראות אותו באופן נחות

or condemned because of his appearance.

או לדון אותו בגלל הופעתו.

But to the glory of God, when he arrived at The SCOAN,

אבל לתהילה של אלוהים כאשר הוא הגיע לכנסיית 'בית הכנסת' של כל האומות. מה שהוא

But to the glory of God when he arrived at the Synagogue Church of All Nations. What he what he experienced was love, acceptance and care experienced was love, acceptance and care.

חווה היה אהבה, קבלה ודאגה.

And that really touched him, for him to have seen such a reception and that really touched him, for him to have seen such a reception in the house of God

וזה באמת נגע בו, שכן הוא ראה קבלה כזאת

in the house of God and as a result, when the word of prophecy came forth, and as a result, when the word of prophecy came forth,

בבית של אלוהים וכתוצאה מכך, כאשר דְּבַר הנבואה יצא,

he realised that what the man of God said was something he had never told anyone, he realized that what the man of God said was something he had never told anyone.

הוא הבין שמה שאלוהים אמר זה דברים שהוא מעולם לא סיפר לאף אחד.

he had never disclosed his past life even to his own mother. He has never disclosed his past life even to his own mother.

הוא מעולם לא גילה את עברו אפילו לאמא שלו.

But when the word of prophecy came forth But when the word of prophecy came forth that there is a man with tattoes all over his body

אבל כאשר דְּבַר הנבואה יצא,

that there's a man with tattoos all over his body

שיש גבר עם קעקועים בכל הגוף

who was a criminal, that touched his heart. who was a criminal that touched his heart.

שהיה פושע נגע בלבו.

He came forward and ever since then, to the glory of God, He came forward and ever since then to the glory of God

הוא בא לקדימת החזית ומאז לכבוד של אלוהים

he has been completely free from that spirit that was disturbing him, he has been completely free from that spirit that was disturbing him,

הוא חופשי לחלוטין מאותה רוח שהטרידה אותו,

pushing him and to crime and pushing him into taking drugs, selling drugs, pushing him into crime, pushing him into taking drugs, selling drugs,

דחפה אותו למעשי פשע ודחפה אותו לצרוך סמים, לסחור סמים,

armed robbery and today he is a new man. armed robbery and today he's a new man.

שוד מזוין והיום הוא איש חדש.

Let's but I have together for Jesus Christ one more time. Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ one more time.

אָמֵן! בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח פעם נוספת!

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טבוגו ואמא - עדות נבואה

So once again, we're just showing this so that people of God So once again, we're just showing this so that people of God can really understand

אז שוב, אנחנו רק מראים את זה כדי שאנשים של אלוהים

can really understand the extent of what Jesus Christ has done the extent of what Jesus Christ has done for our brother,

יוכלו באמת להבין את מה שישוע עשה

for our brother, and we give all the glory to God that today he is free. and we give all the glory to God that today he is free.

עבור אחינו, ואנחנו נותנים את כל התהילה לאלוהים כי היום הוא חופשי.

Jesus Christ has set him free from that life that he was living before Jesus Christ has set him free from that life that he was living before

ישוע המשיח שחרר אותו מהחיים שהוא היה חי קודם לכן

and that spirit that was pushing him into such a life has completely and that spirit that was pushing him into such a life has completely

והרוח שדחפה אותו לתוך חיים כאלה לחלוטין

been cast out by our Lord Jesus Christ. been cast out by our Lord Jesus Christ.

סולקה על ידי אדוננו ישוע המשיח.

One more time, people, let's put our hands together for our Lord Jesus Christ! One more time, people, let's put our hands together for our Lord Jesus Christ!

עוד פעם אחת, אנשים, בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור אדוננו ישוע המשיח!

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טבוגו ואמא - עדות נבואה

Emmanuel! (God With Us - Matthew 1:23) Emmanuel!

People of God, my name is Regina Murake People of God, my name is Regina Murake and I'm from South Africa.

אנשים של אלוהים, שמי רג'ינה מוריקה

and I'm from South Africa, I'm 57 years of age. I'm 57 years of age.

ואני מדרום אפריקה, אני בת57.

This is my son Tebogo, he is quite a charming boy. This is my son Tebogo. He is quite a charming boy.

זה הבן שלי טובוגו, הוא די ילד מקסים.

He was quite a charming boy when he grew up, He was quite a charming boy when he grew up,

הוא היה ילד מקסים למדי כשגדל,

and it happened that because I was staying with... It happened that because I was staying with...

וזה קרה כי אני התגוררתי עם ...

The man that I was staying with was not his father. The man that I was staying with was not his father.

האיש שאתו התגוררתי לא היה אביו.

So it happened that he grew up with my father. So it happened that he grew up with my father.

אז מה שקרה הוא שהוא גדל עם אבא שלי.

That is why most of the things that he said I don't know. That is why most of the things that he said I don't know.

זו הסיבה שרוב הדברים שהוא אמר אני לא ידעתי.

But I made it a point that he would get everything that he wanted. But I made it a point that he would get everything that he wanted.

אבל קיבלתי החלטה שהוא יקבל כל מה שהוא רוצה.

I used to go to my place,, to my father's place and buy food for him, I used to go to my place, to my father's place, and buy food for him,

נהגתי ללכת למקום שלי אל מקום מגוריו של אבי כדי לקנות מזון בשבילו,

make sure that he goes to school and all that. made sure that he went to school and all that.

ומוודאת שהוא הולך לבית הספר וכל זה.

So the things that he said about several time being jailed - So the things that he said about being jailed several times -

אז הדברים שהוא אמר עליהם כמה זמן היה בכלא -

I don't know about it - I only know about one incident. I don't know about it - I only know about one incident.

אני לא ידעתי על זה - אני רק יודעת על תקרית אחת.

That's when I went there and then I bailed him, he got out. That's when I went there and then I bailed him, he got out.

אז הלכתי לשם ואז שחררתי אותו בערבות, הוא יצא.

I tried to speak to him all the time. I tried to speak to him all the time.

ניסיתי לדבר איתו כל הזמן.

When you speak to him, it is like he listens, he understands When you spoke to him, it was like he listened, he understood

כאשר אתה מדבר אליו, זה נראה שהוא מקשיב, הוא מבין

but immediately he went away, he did his own things there which I didn't know. but immediately he goes away, he does his own things there

אבל מיד הוא הולך, ועושה את הדברים בדרך שלו שם

which I didn't know. Actually, I knew that there was something Actually, I knew that there was something wrong that he was doing

אשר לא ידעתי. למעשה אני ידעתי שיש משהו

wrong that he was doing because there was a time

לא כשורה שהוא עושה כי היה זמן

because there was a time when I was talking to him and he said, when I was talking to him and he said:

כאשר שוחחתי אתו הוא היה אומר:

"Mom, I need time to live my life, let me live my life." "Mum, I need time to live my life, let me live my life."

"אמא, אני צריך זמן לחיות את החיים שלי, תני לי לחיות את החיים שלי."

Because it was like I wanted him to live the way I want him to. because it was like I wanted him to live the way I wanted him to.

כי זה היה נראה כאילו אני רוצה שהוא יחיה את החיים כמו שאני רוצה.

So I told him that it was okay, "But when things are not going well with you, So I told him that it's okay: "But when things are not going

אז אמרתי לו שזה בסדר "אבל כאשר דברים לא הולכים

well with you remember that you've got a mother. remember that you've got a mother and I will always accept you and help you".

כשורה תזכור שיש לך אמא.

And I will always accept you and help you."

ואני תמיד אקבל אותך ואעזור לך."

So he went away because he was not staying with me, So he went away because he was not staying with me,

אז הוא הלך לדרכו כי הוא לא התגורר איתי,

by then he was staying at my other brother's house. by then he was staying at my other brother's house.

עד אז הוא היה בבית של אחי השני.

So he was staying there with his girlfriend. All these things So he was staying there with his girlfriend. All these things started and happened whilst he was there

אז הוא נשאר שם עם החברה שלו. כל הדברים האלה

started and happened whilst he was there

התחיל וקרה בזמן שהיה שם

because he was at the university. because he was at the university.

כי הוא היה באוניברסיטה.

And then that's when I started to realize that And that was when I started to realise that there was something wrong that he was doing

ואז התחלתי להבין את זה

there was something wrong that he was doing

שיש משהו לא בסדר שהוא עושה

and I always told him that there was something that was not right with him. and I always told him that there was something that was not right with him.

ותמיד אמרתי לו שיש משהו שלא היה בסדר אתו.

Then it took quite a time that he didn't come to me Then it took quite a time that he didn't come to me

ואז זה לקח די הרבה זמן שהוא לא בא אלי

because he said he wanted to live his own life. because he said he wanted to live his own life.

כי הוא אמר שהוא רוצה לחיות את חייו שלו.

That time he came back he was full of tattoos, The time he came back, he was full of tattoes.

באותו זמן שבא לבקר הוא היה מלא קעקועים,

I felt so bad because the first thing that he did was that he became a Rastafarian. I felt so bad because the first thing that he did it was that he was a Rastafarian.

הרגשתי כל כך רע בגלל הדבר הראשון שהוא עשה את זה כי הוא היה ראסטפארי,

He used to have big dreadlocks and those He used to have big dreadlocks and those things that they tie on their heads.

היו לו רסטות גדולות והדברים

dukes that they put a tie on their heads.

שהם שמו על ראשיהם.

And I told him that I didn't like that And I told him that I didn't like that but he said this was the life that he chose.

ואמרתי לו שאני לא אוהבת את זה

but he said this is the life that he chose.

אבל הוא אמר שזה החיים שהוא בחר.

That's when he told me that he wanted to live his own life. That's when he told me that he wanted to live his own life.

ואז הוא אמר לי שהוא רוצה לחיות את החיים שלו.

And then after quite a time, that was when he came now with tattoes all over his body. And then after quite a time, that's when he came now with tattoos all over his body.

ואז אחרי הרבה זמן, אז הוא בא עכשיו עם קעקועים על כל גופו.

For quite some time I knew that he needed help. For quite a time I knew that he needed help.

במשך זמן מה ידעתי שהוא זקוק לעזרה.

But I'm not a person who is used to witch doctors and all that. But I'm not a person who's used to charms and all that,

אבל אני לא סוג של אדם שמאמין בפעולות מאגיות וקסמים וכדומה

Some people would advise me, "Go to so-and-so. some people would advised me: "Go to so-and-so,

היו כמה אנשים אשר יעצו לי: "לכי לזה ולזה,

your son needs deliverance, your son needs to be helped." Your son needs deliverance, your son needs to be helped".

הבן שלך זקוק לגאולה, הבן שלך צריך לקבל עזרה.

But I didn't know where to go, actually. But I didn't know where to go, actually.

אבל לא ידעתי לאן ללכת.

So five years back I got introduced to Emmanuel TV. So five years back I got introduced to Emmanuel TV.

אז לפני חמש שנים התוודעתי לשידורי הטלוויזיה של עמנואל.

And I started watching it and something told me that And I started watching it and something told me that

והתחלתי לצפות בזה ומשהו בי אמר

this is where I'm going to find a solution for myself this was where I was going to find a solution for myself and my son.

שזה המקום שבו אני הולכת למצוא פתרון עבור עצמי

and actually for my son, I needed deliverance for him. I needed deliverance for him.

ולמען האמת, למען הבן שלי, הייתי זקוקה לגאולה בשבילו.

So it took me time to find a person who I could connect so that we might come here. It took me time to find a person who I could connect with so that we might come here.

אז זה לקח לי זמן למצוא אדם אשר אני יכולה ליצור קשר עימו כדי שנוכל לבוא לכאן.

After doing all the arrangements last year, I told him that I wanted him to come, After doing all the arrangements last year I told him that

אחרי כל הסידורים בשנה שעברה אמרתי לו את זה

I wanted him to come:

רציתי שהוא יבוא:

"There's a place that I want you to come with to. "There's a place that I want you to come with to.

"יש מקום שאני רוצה שתבוא אליו.

It is a church and that's where you're going to be delivered It is a church and that's where you're going to be delivered,

זאת כנסייה וזה המקום שאתה הולך להיות משוחרר,

because I want you back, I want the son that I gave birth to. because I want you back, I want the son that I gave birth to.

כי אני רוצה אותך בחזרה, אני רוצה את הבן שילדתי.

Not you, you are not the son that I gave birth to, satan is using you." Not you, you are not the son that I gave birth to, satan is using you".

לא אתה, אתה לא הבן שילדתי, השטן משתמש בך."

He agreed, and then he said, "Okay, mum, I'll come on Saturday, alright?" He agreed, and then he said: "Okay, mum, I'll come on Saturday, all right?"

הוא הסכים, ואז אמר: "בסדר, אני אבוא בשבת, בסדר?

Saturday I waited for him - actually, he said he would come on Friday. Saturday I waited for him - actually, he said he'd come on Friday,

בשבת חיכיתי לו - למעשה, הוא אמר שהוא יבוא ביום שישי,

on Friday he didn't come, on Friday night he said: "I will be there tomorrow morning." On Friday he didn't come; Friday night he said, "I will be there tomorrow morning".

ביום שישי הוא לא בא, ביום שישי בערב הוא אמר: "אני אהיה שם מחר בבוקר."

And the next thing - tomorrow morning I received a message to say, And the next thing - tomorrow morning I received a message to say:

והדבר הבא - למחרת בבוקר קיבלתי הודעה שאומר:

"Mum, I think I'm the one who caused these things to myself. "Mum, I think I'm the one who caused these things to myself,

"אמא, אני חושב שאני זה שגרמתי את הדברים האלה לעצמי,

these are my problems, I'll see to it that I sort myself out." These are my problems. I will see to it that I sort myself out".

אלה הבעיות שלי,אני אתאפס על עצמי ואמצא פתרון."

So I was so disappointed, I didn't respond to that. I was so disappointed, I didn't respond to that.

אז הייתי כל כך מאוכזבת, לא הגבתי לזה.

During early this year his children came to visit and he During early this year his children came to visit and he also came to visit

בתחילת השנה הגיעו ילדיו לביקור והוא

also came to visit, so I begged him to stay and sleep at home so I begged him to stay and sleep at home because he was not used to sleeping at my place.

גם בא לבקר, אז התחננתי שהוא יישאר וישן בבית

because he was not used to sleeping at my place,

כי הוא לא היה רגיל לישון אצלי,

he would come and go.

הוא היה בא והולך.

He would come and go. Because his children were there, we started sitting together, Because his children were there, we started sitting together,

כי ילדיו היו שם, התחלנו לשבת יחד,

and normally, my TV is always on Emmanuel. and normally, my TV is always on Emmanuel TV.

ובדרך כלל, הטלוויזיה שלי תמיד על ערוץ עמנואל.

And we would see it and we would talk and fortunately And we would see it and we would talk and fortunately,

ואנחנו היינו צופים בערוץ זה, היינו מדברים למזלי

most of the things that were coming up there, most of the things that were coming up there,

רוב הדברים ששודרו שם,

were worse than what he thought he was doing. were worse than what he thought he was doing.

היו גרועים יותר ממה שחשב שהוא עושה.

He even said, "Things are worse than me, I'm better than these people who appear here. He even said: "Things are worse than me,

הוא אפילו אמר: "המצב גרוע יותר ממני,

I'm better than these people who appear here.

אני יותר טוב מהאנשים האלה שמופיעים כאן.

I thought that I am the worst but I think I'm better." I thought that I am the worst but I think I'm better".

חשבתי שאני הכי גרוע, אבל אני חושב שאני טוב יותר."

So he gradually got to like it and then he disappeared again. So he gradually got to like it and then he disappeared again.

אז הוא לאט לאט אהב את זה ואז נעלם שוב.

When you called him, he wouldn't pick up the phone - not at all. When you called him, he didn't pick up the phone - not at all.

כאשר התקשרת אליו, הוא לא הרים את הטלפון - בכלל לא.

So I didn't know what to do, but one day I decided to say, "I'm going to ask God. So I didn't know what to do, but one day I decided to say - I'm going to ask God.

אז לא ידעתי מה לעשות, אבל יום אחד החלטתי להגיד - אני הולכת לשאול את אלוהים.

I am definitely going to spend days asking God for him to agree to come to SCOAN. I am definitely going to spend days asking God for him to agree to come to The SCOAN".

אני בהחלט הולכת להקדיש מספר ימים כדי לבקש מאלוהים שהוא יסכים לבוא ל"סקוואן"(כנסיית 'בית הכנסת' של כל האומות.

So I took days praying for that, over that and then finally one morning So I took days praying for that, over that and then finally one morning,

אז לקחתי ימים כדי להתפלל על זה, ולבסוף בוקר אחד

I woke up and then I decided that I was going to call him that day. I woke up and then I decided that I was going to call him that day.

התעוררתי ואז החלטתי לטלפן אליו באותו יום.

I started taking my books, reading my books I started taking my books, reading my books and then I prayed.

התחלתי לקחת את הספרים שלי, לקרוא את הספרים שלי

and then I prayed. After praying I took my phone After praying, I took my phone, sprayed the Morning Water on it

ואז התפללתי. אחרי שהתפללתי לקחתי את הטלפון שלי

and I sprayed the Morning water on it and I said: "My God, and said, "My God, God of T.B. Joshua, this boy is going to answer my phone today.

ואני ריססתי את המים של הבוקר על זה ואמרתי: "אלוהים שלי,

God of TB Joshua, this boy is going to answer my phone today.

אלוהים של טי.בי.ג'ושוע, הילד הזה הולך לענות לטלפון שלי היום.

And he is going to come when I call him". And he's going to come when I call him."

והוא הולך לבוא כאשר אני קוראת לו."

I wiped my phone so that it may not get damaged, I wiped my phone so that it may not get damaged,

ניגבתי את הטלפון שלי כדי שלא יינזק,

After that, I called him - he picked up the phone. after that I called him - he picked up the phone.

אחרי שהתקשרתי אליו- הוא הרים את השפופרת.

I said, "I want to see you. When can you come?" I said: "I want to see you. When can you come?"

אמרתי: "אני רוצה לראות אותך, מתי אתה יכול לבוא?

He said: "Okay, I will come tomorrow." He said, "Okay, I will come tomorrow".

הוא אמר: "טוב, אני אבוא מחר."

And tomorrow morning, he was there. And tomorrow morning, he was there.

ולמחרת בבוקר הוא היה שם.

Amen, let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ. Amen. Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ.

אמן!בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח.

Then when he came, I started telling him: "I am going to SCOAN in June." Then when he came, I started telling him, "I am going to SCOAN in June".

ואז, כשהוא הגיע, התחלתי לספר לו: "אני הולכת לסקוואן ביוני."

Actually I was saying it was in June, I want to be there on the birthday of the prophet, Actually I was saying it was in June, I want to be there on the birthday of the prophet,

בעצם אמרתי שזה היה ביוני, אני רוצה להיות שם ביום ההולדת של הנביא,

because mine is on the 16th, his is on the 19th of June. because mine is on the 16th, his is on the 19th of June.

כי שלי זה ב-16, שלו הוא ב -19 ביוני.

I said I want us to be there. I said I want us to be there.

אמרתי שאני רוצה שנהיה שם.

And then I told him and then we stayed and we watched Emmanuel TV. And then I told him and then we stayed and we watched Emmanuel TV.

ואז סיפרתי לו ואז אנחנו נשארנו וצפינו בטלוויזיה של עמנואל.

We spoke about a lot of things. We spoke about a lot of things.

דיברנו על הרבה דברים.

That's when I gave him money to go and do the passport. That's when I gave him money to go and do the passport, after a few days

אז נתתי לו כסף ללכת ולעשות את הדרכון, אחרי כמה ימים

After a few days, I called him because I knew how he was. I called him because I knew how he was.

התקשרתי אליו כי ידעתי איך הוא.

So I called him, "Did you make the passport?" So I called him: "Did you make the passport?"

אז צלצלתי אליו: "האם הדרכון שלך מוכן?"

He said, "Yes, mum, I am just waiting for the call to say I must go and fetch it". He said: "Yes, mum, am just waiting for the call to say I must go and fetch it."

הוא אמר: "כן, אמא, אני רק מחכה שיתקשרו שאני צריך ללכת ולקחת אותו."

After two to three weeks I called him, "No, I haven't yet collected it". After two-three weeks I called him: "No, I haven't yet collected it."

אחרי שבועיים-שלושה התקשרתי אליו: "לא, עדיין לא אספתי אותו."

Until finally he said, "You know, mum, I spent that money". Until finally he said: "You know, mom, I spent that money."

עד שלבסוף הוא אמר: "את יודעת, אמא, בזבזתי את הכסף הזה."

And I gave him another money for that. And I gave him money other than for that.

ואני נתתי לו כסף חוץ מזה.

And then I said, "Okay, this time I think you must come to that side so that we do it there". And then I said: "Okay, this time I think you must come

ואז אמרתי: "או.קיי, הפעם אני חושבת שאתה חייב לבוא

with that site so that we do that that site."

למקום הזה כדי לנפק את הדרכון במקום הזה."

He definitely did come, we did the passport, And he definitely did come, we did the passport,

והוא בהחלט בא, עשינו את הדרכון.

he also didn't have his ID, we had to do another ID now. he also didn't have his ID, we had to do another ID.

הוא גם לא היה עם התעודת הזהות שלו, היינו צריכים להוציא עבורו עוד תעודת זהות עכשיו.

But from there I didn't trust him still, he went away, But from there I didn't trust him still, he went away,

אבל מאז עדיין לא סמכתי עליו, הוא הלך,

he came back again and then when he came back, he came back again and then when he came back,

הוא חזר שוב ואז כשחזר,

we sat and then we watched Emmanuel TV, we sat and then we watched Emmanuel TV.

ישבנו ואז הסתכלנו בטלוויזיה של עמנואל,

and then I told him that - one day I told him that One day I told him, "Our date has come out.

ואז אמרתי לו שיום אחד אמרתי לו את זה

our date has come out:

המועד שלנו הגיע:

"When can you be able to come because we are leaving in three days." When can you be able to come because we are leaving in three days?"

"מתי תוכל לבוא כי אנחנו עוזבים בעוד שלושה ימים ."

He said: "Okay, I'll be there tomorrow." He said, "Okay, I'll be there tomorrow".

הוא אמר: "טוב, אני אהיה שם מחר."

The next morning at about 8 o'clock he appeared. The next morning at about 8 o'clock he appeared.

למחרת בבוקר בערך בשעה 8 הוא הופיע.

It was very early in the morning. It was very early in the morning.

השעה הייתה מוקדמת מאוד בבוקר.

I looked at him but he was looking strange. I looked at him but he was looking strange.

הבטתי בו אבל הוא נראה מוזר..

I just greeted him, and then I went into another room. When I came back, I just greeted him, and then I went into another room.

רק בירכתי אותו לשלום, ואז הלכתי לחדר אחר. כשחזרתי,

When I came back, he was now okay and I said, "You definitely are ready" he was now okay and I said: "You definitely are ready."

הוא היה בסדר עכשיו ואמרתי: "אתה בהחלט מוכן."

because he had everything there. Because he had everything.

כי היה לו הכול.

That's when I started to realize that we were coming here. That's when I started to realise that we were coming here.

אז התחלתי להבין שאנחנו באים לכאן.

And remember, I was also sick for three months And remember, I was also sick for three months.

ותזכור, גם אני הייתי חולה במשך שלושה חודשים

I was very sick - all my joints. I was very sick - all my joints.

הייתי חולה מאוד - כל המפרקים שלי.

I was always sleeping because I was very sick, I needed deliverance and I needed healing too. I was always sleeping because I was very sick, I needed deliverance and healing too.

אני תמיד ישנתי כי הייתי מאוד חולה, הייתי זקוקה לגאולה ואני נזקקתי גם לריפוי .

Fortunately, when I came here, I got healed. Fortunately, when I came here, I got healed -

למרבה המזל, כשהגעתי לכאן, התרפאתי-

the prophet touched me and then I got healed. The prophet touched me and then I got healed.

הנביא נגע בי ואז התרפאתי.

I was happy, I was healed and then of all of a sudden, I was happy, I was healed and then of all of a sudden

הייתי מאושרת, התרפאתי ואז לפתע פתאום

I didn't see the prophet touching him because I was all over the place by then. I didn't see the Prophet touching him because I was all over the place by then.

לא ראיתי את הנביא נוגע בו כי ישבתי במקום אחר.

But then I heard the prophet calling him, saying there is a man with tattoes and he is a thief. But then I heard the Prophet calling him, saying there's a man with tattoos and he is a thief.

אבל אז שמעתי את הנביא קורא לו, אומר שיש אדם עם קעקועים והוא גנב.

I just jumped, because I would see sit at that side, I just jumped because I was seated at that side.

אני פשוט קפצתי, כי ראיתי מהמקום שבו ישבתי,

I just jumped and said: "Thank you, Lord. This is my day." I just jumped and said, "Thank You, Lord. This is my day.

פשוט קפצתי ואמרתי: "תודה לך, אדון, זה היום שלי."

This is the day the Lord has made for me to get delivered and my son to be delivered". "This is the day the Lord has made for me to get delivered and my son to be delivered."

"זֶה הַיּוֹם עָשָׂה לי אלוהים על שגאל את בני והוציא אותו לשחרור."

Amen, let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ! Amen. Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ!

אמן!בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח.

We can really see, it was indeed God's time to restore this family completely. We can really see, it was indeed God's time to restore this family completely.

אנחנו באמת יכולים לראות, זה היה באמת זמן של אלוהים לשקם את המשפחה הזאת לגמרי.

And madam, ever since that prophecy and deliverance your son received, Madam, ever since that prophecy and deliverance your son received,

וגברתי, מאז הנבואה והגאולה שהבן שלך קיבל,

can you just tell us the changes you've witnessed in his life? can you just tell us the changes you have witnessed in his life?

את יכולה פשוט לספר לנו את השינויים שחלו בחייו שאת עדה להם?

Actually we were privileged Actually, we were privileged to stay for another week here at The SCOAN.

למעשה זכינו

to stay for another week here at Synagogue.

להישאר כאן עוד שבוע בבית הכנסת.

Free accommodation, free food. Free accommodation, free food.

לינה חינם, אוכל חינם.

That's when I realised that God is with us. That's when I realized that God is with us.

אז הבנתי כי אלוהים הוא איתנו.

God is really with us and when we talked about it, God is really with us and when we talked about it,

אלוהים הוא באמת איתנו וכאשר דיברנו על זה,

he was excited to say: "When I come out of here, he was excited to say, "When I come out of here, I'll be perfect;

הוא היה נרגש ואמר: "כשאני יוצא מכאן,

I'll be perfect that other week is not just for fun. that other week is not just for fun.

אני אהיה מושלם כי השבוע השני הוא לא רק בשביל הכיף..

It is really where God is working within us." It is really where God is working within us."

זה המקום שבו אלוהים עובד בתוכנו."

And then while we were staying here And then while we were staying here, he was always on his books, reading the Bible,

ואז, בזמן שהיינו כאן

he was always on his books, reading the Bible,

הוא היה תמיד עם הספרים שלו, קורא את התנ"ך,

coming for classes and even in the class I would just look at him: coming for classes and even in the class I would just look at him,

מגיע לשיעורים ואפילו בכיתה אני רק מסתכלת עליו:

"What is he doing there?" - he was taking notes. what is he doing there? He was taking notes.

מה הוא עושה שם? הוא רשם במחברת.

He was responding, he was asking questions. He was responding, he was asking questions.

הוא היה מתעניין ומגיב, הוא שואל שאלות.

And I said: "Now this is my boy, he is okay." And I said, "Now this is my boy!"

ואני אמרתי: "עכשיו זה הילד שלי, הוא בסדר."

Amen, let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ. Amen. Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ.

אמן!בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח.

We give all the glory to God for what He has done We give all the glory to God for what He has done in the life of this family.

אנחנו נותנים את כל התהילה לאלוהים על מה שהוא עשה

in the life of this family. And madam,

בחיי המשפחה הזאת. וגברתי,

Madam, what is your word of advice to viewers around the world, what is your word of advice to viewers around the world

מה היא העצה שלך לצופים ברחבי העולם

with what the Lord has done for you and your son? with what the Lord has done for you and your son?

עם מה שאלוהים עשה עבורך והבן שלך?

My word of advice to the parents out there My word of advice to the parents out there

העצה שלי להורים שם בחוץ

is that it is quite important to stay with your children. is that it's quite important to stay with your children.

היא שזה די חשוב להישאר עם הילדים שלך.

Be there for them. Yes, other people can look after your children. Be there for them. Yes, other people can look after your children.

להיות שם בשבילם. כן, אנשים אחרים יכולים לדאוג לילדים שלך.

Don't judge the situation that you are living in. Don't judge the situation that we are living in,

אל תשפוט את המצב שאנו חיים בו,

make it a point that your children are always with you so that Make it a point that your children are always with you

להקפיד שהילדים שלך הם תמיד אתך

so that you see every movement that they make. so that you see every movement that they make.

כך שתראה כל מהלך שהם עושים.

Because I think if I was around him, he wouldn't have gone this far. Because I think if I was around him, he wouldn't have gone so far.

כי אני חושבת שאם הייתי בסביבתו, הוא לא היה מרחיק לכת.

It is because I was not there most of the time, It was because I was not there most of the time,

זה בגלל שלא הייתי שם רוב הזמן,

and sometimes they wouldn't even tell me that sometimes and sometimes they wouldn't even tell me

ולפעמים אפילו לא אמרו לי את זה

that sometimes he was not sleeping at home because he was jailed and all that. he was not sleeping at home because he was jailed and all that.

שהוא לא היה ישן בבית כי הוא נכלא וכל זה.

I didn't know why, it's just now that I hear about that. I didn't know why, it's just now that I hear about that.

לא ידעתי למה, רק עכשיו אני שומעת על זה.

So it is highly important that we stay with our children, So it is highly important that we stay with our children,

לכן חשוב מאוד שנישאר עם ילדינו,

we teach our children about the Word of God, we teach our children about the Word of God,

אנו מלמדים את ילדינו על דבר האלוהים,

we ensure that they are here next to us we ensure that they are here next to us

אנו מְוָודְּאִים שהם נמצאים כאן לידינו

and make sure that they come to church, and make sure that they come to church,

ולוודא שהם באים לכנסייה,

they know God, they work for God, we pray together and do everything together. they know God, they work for God; we pray together and do everything together.

שהם ידעו את אלוהים, שיעשו את עבודת ה', אנחנו נתפלל יחד ולעשות הכל ביחד.

Amen. Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ! Amen, let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ!

אָמֵן!בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח.

And we just want to hear a final word from our brother as well. We just want to hear a final word from our brother as well.

ואנחנו רק רוצים לשמוע מילת סיכום מאחינו גם כן.

My advice will be to my colleagues and my friends out there. My advice will be to my colleagues and my friends out there.

העצה שלי תהיה לעמיתי לחברים שלי שם בחוץ.

I know, some of them are watching me. I know some of them are watching me.

אני יודע, כמה מהם צופים בי.

You know, out there - it's easier to die than to live. You know, out there, it's easier to die than to live.

אתה יודע, שם בחוץ - זה יותר קל למות מאשר לחיות.

So put your trust in God, even if you have problems, Put your trust in God, even if you have problems -

אז לשים את האמון שלך באלוהים, גם אם יש לך בעיות,

some of the problems you can't handle them. some of the problems you can't handle them.

חלק מהבעיות אתה לא יכול להתמודד אתם.

Just hand over all your problems to Jesus, only Jesus can change your life. Just put all your problems into Jesus, only Jesus can change your life.

פשוט לשים את כל הבעיות על ישוע, רק ישוע יכול לשנות את חייך.

Thank You! Amen. Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ. Amen, let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ.

אָמֵן!בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח.

Just a final question, brother: You said before you had the impression Just a final question brother, you said before you had the impression

רק שאלה אחרונה אח, אתה אמרה לפני כן שהיה לך הרושם

that perhaps because of your appearance with the tattoos that perhaps because of your appearance with the tattoes

אולי בגלל המראה שלך עם הקעקועים

that you would be condemned or that you would be condemned or be looked down upon in the church.

שאתה תהיה מוקע

be looked down upon in the church.

או שיראו בך באופן נחות בכנסייה.

What is your word of advice to people who may be watching right now with a similar thought What is your word of advice to people who may be watching right now

מהי אתה מייעץ לאנשים שעשויים לצפות עכשיו

with a similar thought - they feel that perhaps,

עם מחשבה דומה - הם מרגישים שאולי,

- they feel that perhaps, because of the way they look, their appearance, because of the way they look, their appearance

בגלל האופן שבו הם נראים, המראה שלהם

they will not be accepted in the house of God. they will not be accepted in the house of God.

הם לא יתקבלו בבית של אלוהים.

What do you really want to advise such people as well? What do you really want to advise such people as well?

מה אתה באמת רוצה לייעץ לאנשים כאלה גם כן?

Well, I'll say don't look at the outside, just look at the inside. Well, I'll say don't look at the outside, just look at the inside

ובכן, אני אגיד אל תסתכל בחיצוניות, רק להסתכל בפנים.

Because that's where God lives, because that's where God lies; he actually looks at the inside of a human being.

כי זה המקום שבו אלוהים שוכן,

He actually looks at the inside of a human being.

הוא ממש מסתכל על פנים האדם.

Amen, let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ one more time! Amen. Let's put our hands together for Jesus Christ one more time! TT: Lizz Ndung'u 28/07/2018 RV: Pavel Tatyana Zheleznyakov 07/08/2018 + Mel TT: Lizz Ndung'u 28/07/2018 RV: Pavel Tatyana Zheleznyakov 07/08/2018

אָמֵן!בואו נמחא כפיים יחד עבור ישוע המשיח.

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